Affiliate Marketing And Its Bad Reputation

Affiliate marketing had a bad reputation, the history of which seems to echo forward. A lot of the blogging crowd, especially those with a PR background strongly dislike the use of affiliate marketing as a marketing tool. One reason is that, in the past, people didn’t disclose their relationships, and partly because people in the past (and several people today) sell products and services that they don’t use or support, simply to make money from the sale of the product.

Quick definition. I call affiliate marketing “promoting a product or service that someone else has created to your community with the hope of providing benefit to that community, and to be compensated for that promotion.” (You might define it slightly differently.)

I think where people get a little crazy-hairy about affiliate marketing is that it’s a matter of trust and credibility, and that it requires to consumer of such information to make a calculation before fully consuming the data: is Chris saying this because he really likes the product, or is he saying this to make a few bucks? That’s pretty much the equation, right?

In my case, it should be reasonably clear that I value you more than I value a few bucks for you buying a book or something off my site. But that’s not always as clear with how others in the past have defined their relationships, and so, it leaves people feeling a bit weird.

My Take on Affiliate Marketing

I was with a client all day yesterday in Baltimore. We talked about affiliate marketing for their products and services no fewer than three times. They were very fortunate to have received many good leads and customers through the efforts of others sharing their offerings with their community. We talked about even more ways to derive value for people who’d graduated from the client’s services, and who might want to promote their success to others. In this case, it’d be people giving other people a hand up and a chance to improve their lot in life.

My take is that affiliate marketing, done ethically, is one of the best, most genuine ways to advertise something.

For example, I *rave* about my Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX3 camera. I love its video capabilities, mostly. (For stills, I’ve been shooting the Nikon D300s that Nikon sent me to review.) So, I love telling others that it’s great, and that they should check it out and see if it’s a good product for them. If you buy it from my link, I make about $15. Last month, I sold one (and thanks to whoever bought it), and I’m so excited, because I really hope they like the camera as much as I do.

Would I sell out your trust in me for $15?

Yes, it adds up, I guess, but that’s really not the model.

How You COULD Use Affiliate Marketing

I called affiliate marketing my worry reduction buttons, and I still feel that way. Affiliate marketing is a chance to achieve escape velocity, by helping someone earn a few extra dollars a month promoting something they love and believe in.

If there are products or services that you love, and you think your community will benefit from knowing about them, then why not find an affiliate relationship from that organization, and build a value relationship with that company? Check out sites like Commission Junction and Share-a-Sale and LinkShare, and the Google Affiliate Network, to name a few. See if they have sales relationships with brands you already love.

The caution, and there’s always a caution, is that if your site isn’t a site about selling something, then affiliate marketing can sometimes come off as a bit crass in between other items of value. Frankly, I came to terms with this on my site a few years ago, after 8 years of wrenching my hands over it. Know what got me over it? I only promote things I think you’ll find useful. I use some of that promotion money for charitable efforts, and to take my family out for the occasional nice dinner. It seems like a reasonable deal.

The Naysayers

The naysayers say you can’t sell something and be pure about your interest in the product. That’s weird, because I know lots of sales people that I consider upstanding and honest people. Isn’t PR “selling” me on the benefits and wonders of your client or their product? Are you then any more pure because you’re being paid to promote them via word of mouth?

Again, the thing is this: If you have a relationship where you benefit from selling a product, you MUST disclose it. (I wrote about my take on the FTC rules for disclosure and bloggers a while back.) That’s a must.

Further, if you sell plenty of things via affiliate marketing, it’s probably a good idea to start explain when you’re NOT an affiliate of a product or service. For instance, I’m a big fan of the Roger Smith Hotel in New York. When I talk about it, I make sure to point out that I have no business relationship with them, because I want to be clear that I’m not praising them for my own gain.

Similarly, when I promote a client’s work, I use a “(client)” or “(partner)” disclosure, even on Twitter. I always want the relationships I work under to be clear. Have you seen the disclosure section on my About page? (For another view on disclosures – and I love this and smirk every time I read it – check out Christopher S. Penn’s disclosures page.)

Tools Are What You Make of Them

There’s bad marketing. There’s bad PR. There are bad ways to use URL shorteners. There are blogs that are poorly done. Every tool has a negative use.

I think affiliate marketing is an excellent tool, when used well.

How do you see it?

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  • http://www.howtospoter.com Alex Sysoef

    Hey Chris, excellent points. Quite frankly I don't understand those who refuse to earn from recommendation of the product or service that will be beneficial to their readers.

    As long as it is disclosed and clear – I don't see an issues with affiliate marketing.

    • http://twitter.com/BoJacobson Bo Jacobson

      I consider affiliate disclosure to be more of a courtesy than a necessity. While it’s great that some people tell me when they’re going to get a cut of my purchase, and I trust them more for doing so, ultimately I care more about the information provided and my experience with whatever they’re endorsing.

      What I think I’m owed as a content consumer is a highly informative endorsement/review that gives me the ammunition I need to do my due diligence as a participant in online commerce.

    • http://twitter.com/BoJacobson Bo Jacobson

      I consider affiliate disclosure to be more of a courtesy than a necessity. While it’s great that some people tell me when they’re going to get a cut of my purchase, and I trust them more for doing so, ultimately I care more about the information provided and my experience with whatever they’re endorsing.

      What I think I’m owed as a content consumer is a highly informative endorsement/review that gives me the ammunition I need to do my due diligence as a participant in online commerce.

    • http://twitter.com/BoJacobson Bo Jacobson

      I consider affiliate disclosure to be more of a courtesy than a necessity. While it’s great that some people tell me when they’re going to get a cut of my purchase, and I trust them more for doing so, ultimately I care more about the information provided and my experience with whatever they’re endorsing.

      What I think I’m owed as a content consumer is a highly informative endorsement/review that gives me the ammunition I need to do my due diligence as a participant in online commerce.

    • http://twitter.com/BoJacobson Bo Jacobson

      I consider affiliate disclosure to be more of a courtesy than a necessity. While it’s great that some people tell me when they’re going to get a cut of my purchase, and I trust them more for doing so, ultimately I care more about the information provided and my experience with whatever they’re endorsing.

      What I think I’m owed as a content consumer is a highly informative endorsement/review that gives me the ammunition I need to do my due diligence as a participant in online commerce.

    • http://twitter.com/BoJacobson Bo Jacobson

      I consider affiliate disclosure to be more of a courtesy than a necessity. While it’s great that some people tell me when they’re going to get a cut of my purchase, and I trust them more for doing so, ultimately I care more about the information provided and my experience with whatever they’re endorsing.

      What I think I’m owed as a content consumer is a highly informative endorsement/review that gives me the ammunition I need to do my due diligence as a participant in online commerce.

    • http://twitter.com/BoJacobson Bo Jacobson

      I consider affiliate disclosure to be more of a courtesy than a necessity. While it’s great that some people tell me when they’re going to get a cut of my purchase, and I trust them more for doing so, ultimately I care more about the information provided and my experience with whatever they’re endorsing.

      What I think I’m owed as a content consumer is a highly informative endorsement/review that gives me the ammunition I need to do my due diligence as a participant in online commerce.

    • http://twitter.com/BoJacobson Bo Jacobson

      I consider affiliate disclosure to be more of a courtesy than a necessity. While it’s great that some people tell me when they’re going to get a cut of my purchase, and I trust them more for doing so, ultimately I care more about the information provided and my experience with whatever they’re endorsing.

      What I think I’m owed as a content consumer is a highly informative endorsement/review that gives me the ammunition I need to do my due diligence as a participant in online commerce.

    • http://twitter.com/BoJacobson Bo Jacobson

      I consider affiliate disclosure to be more of a courtesy than a necessity. While it’s great that some people tell me when they’re going to get a cut of my purchase, and I trust them more for doing so, ultimately I care more about the information provided and my experience with whatever they’re endorsing.

      What I think I’m owed as a content consumer is a highly informative endorsement/review that gives me the ammunition I need to do my due diligence as a participant in online commerce.

    • http://twitter.com/BoJacobson Bo Jacobson

      I consider affiliate disclosure to be more of a courtesy than a necessity. While it’s great that some people tell me when they’re going to get a cut of my purchase, and I trust them more for doing so, ultimately I care more about the information provided and my experience with whatever they’re endorsing.

      What I think I’m owed as a content consumer is a highly informative endorsement/review that gives me the ammunition I need to do my due diligence as a participant in online commerce.

    • http://twitter.com/BoJacobson Bo Jacobson

      I consider affiliate disclosure to be more of a courtesy than a necessity. While it’s great that some people tell me when they’re going to get a cut of my purchase, and I trust them more for doing so, ultimately I care more about the information provided and my experience with whatever they’re endorsing.

      What I think I’m owed as a content consumer is a highly informative endorsement/review that gives me the ammunition I need to do my due diligence as a participant in online commerce.

  • Lateefivy

    I think people are irrational, so no matter how honest you are in promoting products you genuinely believe in, there's always significant skepticism – more skepticism than a “reasonable” person would have. As a result, I think non-compensated recommendations are better. Rightly or wrongly, in the mind of the prospect, they're significantly more credible. And its what happens in the mind of the prospect that really matters.

  • http://nathanhangen.com/blog Nathan Hangen

    I use it to offer products I can't reproduce but that people want to buy.

    I also use it to test product offerings with a new audience.

    You're simply connecting consumers with something they want, and I see no harm in doing that.

  • zaddleinternetmarketing

    I have seen many different affiliate marketing websites – if it is full of great information that saves me having to do a load of research then fine. If it lists what appear to be the best deals available, then fine. If it is shonky, pointless and acts as a barrier to what I want to discover about a product then I get annoyed.

    To be honest it doesn't bother me personally whether I have been told it is an affiliate site (or link) or not – ultimately I make the purchasing decision, I haven't been dragged to the shopping site and forced to hand over my cash…

  • janeatkinson

    I quite like your take on this and I am encouraged to revamp my own affiliate program. I find that a lot of programs fail (like mine) because of lack of attention, focus and pay off. AND, like you said, because people have no direct affiliation with the product. So I will make mine available to people who know and use my products. Thanks for the kick in the butt Chris!

  • http://www.embodhi.co.uk Karen A

    This is absolutely my understanding, too: Full disclosure + only promoting those products/services you strongly feel are good and helpful = Ethical Win for you, the seller, and the buyer.

    And it can be a grand way of promoting ethical businesses, locally and globally by selling directly from producers/providers who might otherwise be ripped off or otherwise treated badly by large retailers.

  • http://twitter.com/CateTV CateTV

    The old “People buy People before they Buy Product or Service” will always apply…..hence why “Affiliate Marketing” works……it's those darn “Humans…. aka People” who just aren't nice…or just are greedy ….who give AM a bad name….. no different than any other marketing/sales :)?

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      I love how your mind works, Cate. I really do. : )

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

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    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      I love how your mind works, Cate. I really do. : )

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      I love how your mind works, Cate. I really do. : )

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      I love how your mind works, Cate. I really do. : )

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      I love how your mind works, Cate. I really do. : )

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      I love how your mind works, Cate. I really do. : )

  • http://www.brandonburgh.com BrandonBurgh

    Well, Walmart essentially is an Affiliate Marketer, and I don't see them blatantly telling people they are. The offer of products and people interested in them buy them, even if they are being “pushed into the center isle”, etc. They are physically placing offers of “if you like this, but it”, but nobody is forcing them to. I think the same thing with affiliate marketing on the internet.

    Really, if you are delivering good content on a regular basis, and find something good for people, offer it up to them. My thoughts.
    Brandon

  • http://www.twitter.com/AdvertisingPR Candice Blaesing

    You said it best in your last comment there Chris; “Tools Are What You Make of Them”… Affiliate Marketing IS an excellent tool when used well and correctly. As an Affiliate Manager for the past 7+ years (being on the flip side of the affiliate process) I have seen the passion to survival rate. I can personally tell you that the gents/ladies that promote what they would recommend without pay, always have the top payout rates (logically). I see a lot of terrific sites with great content that have no focus or passion for their merchant's product(s), but clearly in the end those who do – drive the top profits consistently. Although, I think some of the bad PR as you say, affiliate marketing gets can't be fully left on the affiliates and is also partially affiliate managers faults who need to rethink their career choices. I say this because I have seen affiliate managers try so hard to “make affiliates” and “believers”, when in fact they should be doing more “listening” and finding those believers for solid partnerships. In the age of social media it's time to start using all the tools we have available, instead of settling for less. Affiliate marketing isn't a get rich quick scheme either, these people work very, VERY hard at what they do. Anyone claiming less is full of it. It's simple really, online or off: work hard, be passionate about what you do/support, be honest and just have fun with it. There's only 3 ways to get rich quick: inheritance, the lottery or be a a weasel and tell everyone else how to get rich even though you have no idea yourself. If you aren't 1 of those 3 keep keep working at it (stay away from the weasels though), I think you will find life much sweeter earned. I am also quite certain they can ask you about “earning it” Chris. Thanks for the AF read today :)

  • karimacatherine

    Thanks Chris for enlightening us about Affiliate marketing, that does carry a bad connotation, most of the times.

    The whose issue is disclosing relationships, the same way a spokesperson does. Also, as you point out, it is very important to know who your audience is and what they expect. Maybe in time, train them to understand your approach.

    By the way, congrats on the camera sale…:)

    @karimacatherine

  • http://www.ArrowLightHaulage.co.uk/ Sarah Arrow

    I am just starting to do some of this type of marketing on one of my blogs, specifically only things I have used like Third Tribe, Scribe etc. I would prefer to call it 'associate marketing' as I am only marketing and talking about products that I to be associated with.

    I don't see any harm in promoting and talking about things we use and love. My one and only affiliate cheque was put in a safe place, never to be seen again :)

    I do wonder sometimes when I see emails from a variety of people fly into my inbox all saying buy this, whether they do actually use it. Especially when the emails all look very similar. These make me back off a hundred miles an hour, although they may be fab products, the spammy manner in which they are being promoted puts me off. I think a bit of effort in differentiating the emails would get a better result for that list owner.

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  • http://www.workwithcherry.com/ Cherry Rahtu

    i think affiliate marketing is an excellent tool , and smart. Just make sure you use the product before you promote it ,recommend to people genuinely.

  • mattsanchez83

    I agree that affiliate marketing is a good thing for the company providing the deal and the customer receiving the product. It is ingenious for the affiliate manger: they establish what the pay out can be, and the only time in which they need to pay it out for the most part is when a sale occurs. $$$$$$ in and $ out = good deal.

    On the hosts standpoint, I think they incur all of the initial risk. For a blogger it is only time, but for an advertiser it is time and marketing expenses.

    These affiliate partnerships are not all bad for the host. Chris you are always preaching about building a relationship, I think this is a perfect way to catapult an introduction. This also opens the door for a more meaningful relationship down the road.

    If you are an advocate of a product or service and feel as though it is note worthy, there is praise and money to be made for all.

  • http://www.thelifeuncommon.net Nacie Carson

    I think affiliate marketing can be a really effective earning tool, or as you say “escape velocity tool” (great phrase!) as long as it is balanced with non-affiliate value. As in, for every recommendation blog post (or tweet, or facebook post, etc), you should be sure to have 10x or 20x as much non-affiliate content – I think this balance helps keep readers' trust and yields the best results. Your site is an excellent example of this balance, Chris!

  • http://www.echristopherclark.com E. Christopher Clark

    I have used affiliate marketing in the past, but not found much success with it. I think part of that is that I haven't run particularly high traffic sites and that I haven't advertised products that resonate with my readers. I think a larger part is that I haven't limited myself to advertising exclusively those products and services that I am really passionate about (which it seems to me is what you're advocating). I think that is what I'll try next time, if I try affiliate marketing again.

  • http://dannybrown.me Danny Brown

    Seems pretty straightforward. You sell/promote something because you're happy to be “affiliated” with it, hence affiliate marketing. Anything else is just false advertising. That's why I only recommend one product from an affiliate approach (at the minute at least), because I use it and believe in it 100%.

    Not sure the PR reference works – yes, there's a “sell” at some point but that's just the pretty stuff that everyone sees. The real work is behind the scenes and there's a heck of a lot of that – something that affiliate marketers doesn't really need to worry about.

  • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

    I wouldn't call advertising false advertising. I just think there's a big difference between advertising in a product or service you support versus putting up ads that are just there as ads.

    If you're subscribed to chrisbrogan.com via RSS, there are google adsense ads along the bottom. I don't know what you get, because it's contextual. I don't support those products as much. That's just potential hamburger money.

    However, things I do support are things I want people to experience for themselves. So, if you want the same kind of suitcase I'm finding successful for my travels, I'll point it out, and you might get one.

    As for PR, I'm just saying that when people consider PR “real” and affiliate marketing “scammy,” it's really just variations on the theme. One is someone gets paid by a company to get their product or service more known. The other is that someone gets paid by a company to market that product to their community. Sides of a coin?

  • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

    It took me years for it to buy me a meal. After all these years, some of my projects earn me my mortgage or more every month. But that's on some really high volume. Just the same, why NOT take advantage of places where you have an affinity for a product you like?

  • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

    That's a really great point, Nacie. I think that keeping the “real” content at a high number is really important. I think that doing it the other way isn't going to win friends.

  • http://dannybrown.me Danny Brown

    Oh, agreed. But I think a lot of the difference comes in because of the medium. You watch TV, or you listen to the radio, or read a magazine – they all have ads in or on them. Yet because of the medium, we *know* they're ads and acknowledge that they've been paid for, which enables us to make a more reasoned decision on purchasing (or not).

    With affiliate marketing, it's primarily (as far as I can see) online based, and usually by bloggers. The blog readership trusts the opinions of the blogger (else they'd be reading someone else's blog), so any “advertising” by the blogger is taken as a given. Otherwise, that blogger's value drops immensely.

    I think the other big difference is that with affiliate marketing, you're choosing what you promote (other forms of advertising are paid for, as opposed to choice by the broadcaster). So unless you're really at ease with what you're promoting, and not just pimping for the bucks, then that's where the false advertising model appears.

    And yes, there are just as many scammy PR folks as there are good ones. But then that's true of any industry ;-)

  • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

    Did you know that Sky Mall is affiliate marketing? That uPromise (the service that saves money for college) is affiliate marketing? That buy.com is affiliate marketing? Things we *think* aren't actually are.

    As for disclosure, I'm advocating for disclosure like mine. You can't NOT know when I'm selling something the way I do it. Who knows? Maybe there are even better methods.

    And yes, I love that I get to choose what I sell. It means I can promote things I can vouch for. : )

  • http://www.sellingforbusiness.co.uk/ Linda Mattacks

    Nice one – if I could put my tuppence worth in?

    Point 1: Surely Affiliate Marketing is, to a large extent, only as successful as as the good reputation of the Affiliate the Marketing is being done through/by??? That is, unless the item being sold has a good brand name, reputation, etc. in and of itself, I guess.

    So, if I value you (Chris) and the information you've provided me with, educated me with and entertained me with, I'm likely to at least take a look at something you refer/ recommend me to – the fact that you'll get your cut is irrelevant, other than that you're straight upfront about it and that resonates with me and opens the way to a potential transparent transaction with your mate I don't yet know.

    After all, if I've NOT heard about it (whatever 'it' is) and it's relevant to my needs, great, you've potentially done me a favour! If I HAVE heard about it and was dithering, your input has helped me make my mind up.

    Leading on from that:
    What COULD easily annoy me but at the end of the day amuses me is the 'not an original thought or product in head' affiliate: S/he who attempts to portray at worst zeal and at best puppy dog enthusiasm for something s/he hasn't done more than read the PR blurb for, product after product, course after course, miracle answer after miracle answer: THAT is insulting if it wasn't so obvious!

    Point 2: Whether or not you value me, and other followers' like me, surely you value your own long term reputation WAY more than the (comparably) few bucks a dodgy/ naff affiliate offer would bring you? There's no way you're that short sighted or dumb – I just don't believe it!

  • http://www.echristopherclark.com E. Christopher Clark

    You're absolutely right. There's no real reason why not to try. I'm in the process of redesigning my site at the moment, and I will be thinking hard about where advertising in general and affiliate marketing specifically might fit in. It may not earn me a lot, but every little bit helps, right? Even if I just start with Amazon links for books I mention, that'd be a start.

  • http://dannybrown.me Danny Brown

    Ha, well these are three products/services I haven't heard of, but now I'll check them out to see their approach :)

    Couldn't agree more, Chris – the disclosure part is key. It's the buggers that don't disclose that gives AM the current reputation.

  • http://empoprise-bi.blogspot.com/ John E. Bredehoft (Empoprises)

    When I think of affiliate marketing, I think of you, Loren Feldman, and Julia Roy – three people whom I respect. All three clearly disclosed, and all three were promoting products in which they were interested (Feldman, if I remember correctly, was promoting a still camera or video camera).

  • http://www.mikestenger.com Mike Stenger

    I think affiliate marketing is absolutely a great tool. As long as you have proper things in place and can really fulfill each and every affiliate that promotes, most definitely. Like you said Chris, a lot of people do promote things they haven't used themselves and are just trying to make a quick buck.

    When promoting other products, people don't really think about the effects of if that product absolutely sucks and delivers a bad experience to the person who bought it. Now, they associate that product with you and you've lost a potentially valuable subscriber. And, you're now associated with “suck”.

    Not cool, not cool…

  • http://blog.igetpaidforwhoiam.com YesYes

    I would only be an Affiliate for a product that I use and am passionate about, and that's what I recommend and train to everyone new in the field.

    It's not about the money you make, it's about the reputation you build and the social proof of your sincerity and the value you provide your community of followers and subscribers.

  • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

    Really great point about how BADLY it can be done. I like your point about regurgitating the PR blurbs.

    And yes, I value you way more than your linkclicking skills. : )

  • http://blog.affiliatetip.com Shawn Collins

    When you say “Affiliate marketing had a bad reputation,” are you saying that in terms of bloggers, or in general?

    After all, affiliate marketing spans far beyond blogs, which have only achieved momentum in recent years.

    I started managing affiliate programs in 1997 and have worked with affiliates using content sites, email, podcasts, paid search direct to sites, paid search to landing pages, video, Facebook ads, coupon sites, comparison shopping, rewards sites, etc.

    Also, plenty of blogs don't use text links for products or services they mention, and only run banner ads.

  • videocamerawarehouse

    I’ve conducted an experiment whereby a newly opened affiliate account, which had one website listed, applied into 4 affiliate programs. All of these programs were in the niche absolutely unrelated to the niche that the affiliate website was listed in. Please don’t get me wrong. I am 100% against portraying affiliate marketing as “easy money” or a get-rich-quick scheme, and this is not what I’m getting at here. The idea behind what I’m saying is actually pretty simple, yet few affiliate marketers are employing it in a quality way — by adding real value for the end consumer in putting together niche- and holiday-focused websites. All in all Excellent Post! Keep them coming!

  • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

    Great question, Shawn, and I'm glad you came by. We both know that I'm very limited in my understanding of your world. : )

    I'm saying that the blogging crowd and the social media crowd even larger has for some time had negative impressions of it. In that other post, someone likened it to Amway. Someone else called it kickbacks. I know you're not suggesting that it hasn't had a bad rap, but maybe you're just qualifying how far that extends? (Remember, I'm in the fishbowl here.)

    And yes, there are lots of ways to get the information out besides blogs. In fact, would you say that blogs are one of the least effective?

  • http://www.geoffkenyon.com Geoff

    What gives affiliate marketing a bad rep are the really thin affiliate sites that exist purely for affiliate links. If they have any content, it's scraped. The reason these are bad is that they don't actually add value – to anything – they only exist to put money in the site owner's pocket.

    Value is the difference between what you do (affiliate marketing) and affiliate sites. The content you create adds value to the web, which is why you now have a community. The thin affiliate sites never get a community, only visitors from search results, because there is no value. The lack of value is the bigger problem, not that they are selling something. This gets at something bigger, without value, there is almost no reason to trust what an affiliate is pushing; when trust and value are missing, people feel taken advantage of.

    People who have had bad experiences with affiliate sites are often don't see the positives associated with affiliate marketing because their experience is with the valueless affiliate sites.

  • http://blog.affiliatetip.com Shawn Collins

    Sure, affiliate marketing has its detractors like any other area of marketing. And there are plenty of scumbags doing it, but I hate to see them get the attention when there are so many people doing it right.

    It seems the anti-affiliate sentiment has been amplified with the intersection of bloggers and affiliate marketing.

    As far as the effectiveness, I suppose it depends a lot on how big the tent is for what is considered a blog. For instance, I used to hand code all of my affiliate sites, but have converted them all to WordPress as a CMS, because it's more efficient for me.

    But these sites aren't all blogs. In some cases, I have sites that are powered by WP, like affiliatesummit.com, and they have a blog, but the majority of the site is composed of pages.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      By the way, I asked someone else this question and I’d love your take: who in the blogging world is doing affiliate marketing in a way that you like to point out?

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      By the way, I asked someone else this question and I’d love your take: who in the blogging world is doing affiliate marketing in a way that you like to point out?

      • http://blog.affiliatetip.com Shawn Collins

        One that I think serves a niche well, and it’s all about monetization, while providing frequent, fresh information is http://www.buytwilightstuff.com/

        And http://awesomeracefans.com/ provides quality information and opinions from a passionate fan, and affiliate ads are easily accessible through the nav, plus some AdSense units.

        Another concept I like is to dedicate a blog to personally using a product and showing how you’re using it like http://www.scottlearnsguitar.com/

      • http://blog.affiliatetip.com Shawn Collins

        One that I think serves a niche well, and it’s all about monetization, while providing frequent, fresh information is http://www.buytwilightstuff.com/

        And http://awesomeracefans.com/ provides quality information and opinions from a passionate fan, and affiliate ads are easily accessible through the nav, plus some AdSense units.

        Another concept I like is to dedicate a blog to personally using a product and showing how you’re using it like http://www.scottlearnsguitar.com/

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      By the way, I asked someone else this question and I’d love your take: who in the blogging world is doing affiliate marketing in a way that you like to point out?

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      By the way, I asked someone else this question and I’d love your take: who in the blogging world is doing affiliate marketing in a way that you like to point out?

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      By the way, I asked someone else this question and I’d love your take: who in the blogging world is doing affiliate marketing in a way that you like to point out?

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      By the way, I asked someone else this question and I’d love your take: who in the blogging world is doing affiliate marketing in a way that you like to point out?

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      By the way, I asked someone else this question and I’d love your take: who in the blogging world is doing affiliate marketing in a way that you like to point out?

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      By the way, I asked someone else this question and I’d love your take: who in the blogging world is doing affiliate marketing in a way that you like to point out?

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      By the way, I asked someone else this question and I’d love your take: who in the blogging world is doing affiliate marketing in a way that you like to point out?

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      By the way, I asked someone else this question and I’d love your take: who in the blogging world is doing affiliate marketing in a way that you like to point out?

  • http://twitter.com/mattshawblog Matt Shaw

    I think one of the big objections that often gets overlooked (and I don't think it was addressed here) is managing the expectations of audiences. I come to ChrisBrogan.com (and other sites, of course) for knowledge — not necessarily to be sold something. I have yet to read a single sentence containing an affiliate link that I didn't find off-putting, on any blog anywhere in the world. Can it be done? I'm sure it can. But I have yet to find a concrete example of it.

    The problem as I see it is this: We judge ideas based on their merit, the way they are delivered, and the perceived character of the person who is conveying them. If I come to ChrisBrogan.com looking for marketing ideas, affiliate links have no merit, they are not appropriate in the context of the other content on the site, and they dilute the character of the author. So if we are to judge these posts the same way we judge all other content that we consume, we have no choice but to judge it negatively.

    Does that make sense, or am I missing something?

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      It’s a good point, Matt. My blog exists to give my audience something I hope they’ll find useful. That’s what I’ve set it up to do. Not all blogs are required to do that. That’s just my goal for mine.

      I assume you read magazines of some kind or another. There are ads in them. You either like the ads or don’t even notice them, depending on how into the topic you are. For instance, when I read street art magazines, I *love* the ads. When I read Esquire, I skip a lot of the ads, because I’m not in the market for a slippery suit or whatever.

      The content, the part I come to the magazines for, is still there in both cases. I just don’t feel as engaged in it when in some magazines or another.

      In my blog, which is a free daily source of material with years and years of useful content, you’re fully welcome to skip the posts you don’t like. Absolutely free. I will never force you to read a post or article on chrisbrogan.com . Just won’t.

      As for the ads? You’re also absolutely welcome to skip them. Lots of people do. And those who find some value in the things I offer, which I believe to be useful to my community, they support me and many charities as a result.

      • Anonymous

        Naturally. And I do skip those posts that deal with luggage and cameras and the like, because that’s not why I come here. I didn’t mean for that comment to be a criticism (and I hope it wasn’t taken that way); your site is just a convenient example, is all.

        If we’re talking about why affiliate links have a bad rep, though, the point still stands. Affiliate links aren’t like ads in magazines, because blogs and magazines are very different media and we have come to expect different things from them. And if I’m being completely honest, the response to confrontation about those links is often exactly the response you have provided: “If you don’t like it, then don’t read it.” This, too, is off-putting, even if the author has the best of intentions.

        My two cents.

        • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

          Interesting. The Huffington Post is more of a newspaper than most newspapers. Inc magazine online is better than Inc magazine in paper.

          Are blogs really unlike magazines, or is your perception of a blog unlike a magazine?

          • Anonymous

            While I agree with you, saying that HuffPo is more of a newspaper than most newspapers is like saying a Bugatti Veyron is more of a car than most cars. Naturally this is true, but we could never reasonably expect the same thing from both to begin with. HuffPo is perhaps “more of a newspaper than most newspapers,” but isn’t that a limitation of the medium?

            And if it is, isn’t it reasonable to expect a better experience from a medium without those limitations?

        • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

          Interesting. The Huffington Post is more of a newspaper than most newspapers. Inc magazine online is better than Inc magazine in paper.

          Are blogs really unlike magazines, or is your perception of a blog unlike a magazine?

      • Anonymous

        Naturally. And I do skip those posts that deal with luggage and cameras and the like, because that’s not why I come here. I didn’t mean for that comment to be a criticism (and I hope it wasn’t taken that way); your site is just a convenient example, is all.

        If we’re talking about why affiliate links have a bad rep, though, the point still stands. Affiliate links aren’t like ads in magazines, because blogs and magazines are very different media and we have come to expect different things from them. And if I’m being completely honest, the response to confrontation about those links is often exactly the response you have provided: “If you don’t like it, then don’t read it.” This, too, is off-putting, even if the author has the best of intentions.

        My two cents.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      It’s a good point, Matt. My blog exists to give my audience something I hope they’ll find useful. That’s what I’ve set it up to do. Not all blogs are required to do that. That’s just my goal for mine.

      I assume you read magazines of some kind or another. There are ads in them. You either like the ads or don’t even notice them, depending on how into the topic you are. For instance, when I read street art magazines, I *love* the ads. When I read Esquire, I skip a lot of the ads, because I’m not in the market for a slippery suit or whatever.

      The content, the part I come to the magazines for, is still there in both cases. I just don’t feel as engaged in it when in some magazines or another.

      In my blog, which is a free daily source of material with years and years of useful content, you’re fully welcome to skip the posts you don’t like. Absolutely free. I will never force you to read a post or article on chrisbrogan.com . Just won’t.

      As for the ads? You’re also absolutely welcome to skip them. Lots of people do. And those who find some value in the things I offer, which I believe to be useful to my community, they support me and many charities as a result.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      It’s a good point, Matt. My blog exists to give my audience something I hope they’ll find useful. That’s what I’ve set it up to do. Not all blogs are required to do that. That’s just my goal for mine.

      I assume you read magazines of some kind or another. There are ads in them. You either like the ads or don’t even notice them, depending on how into the topic you are. For instance, when I read street art magazines, I *love* the ads. When I read Esquire, I skip a lot of the ads, because I’m not in the market for a slippery suit or whatever.

      The content, the part I come to the magazines for, is still there in both cases. I just don’t feel as engaged in it when in some magazines or another.

      In my blog, which is a free daily source of material with years and years of useful content, you’re fully welcome to skip the posts you don’t like. Absolutely free. I will never force you to read a post or article on chrisbrogan.com . Just won’t.

      As for the ads? You’re also absolutely welcome to skip them. Lots of people do. And those who find some value in the things I offer, which I believe to be useful to my community, they support me and many charities as a result.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      It’s a good point, Matt. My blog exists to give my audience something I hope they’ll find useful. That’s what I’ve set it up to do. Not all blogs are required to do that. That’s just my goal for mine.

      I assume you read magazines of some kind or another. There are ads in them. You either like the ads or don’t even notice them, depending on how into the topic you are. For instance, when I read street art magazines, I *love* the ads. When I read Esquire, I skip a lot of the ads, because I’m not in the market for a slippery suit or whatever.

      The content, the part I come to the magazines for, is still there in both cases. I just don’t feel as engaged in it when in some magazines or another.

      In my blog, which is a free daily source of material with years and years of useful content, you’re fully welcome to skip the posts you don’t like. Absolutely free. I will never force you to read a post or article on chrisbrogan.com . Just won’t.

      As for the ads? You’re also absolutely welcome to skip them. Lots of people do. And those who find some value in the things I offer, which I believe to be useful to my community, they support me and many charities as a result.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      It’s a good point, Matt. My blog exists to give my audience something I hope they’ll find useful. That’s what I’ve set it up to do. Not all blogs are required to do that. That’s just my goal for mine.

      I assume you read magazines of some kind or another. There are ads in them. You either like the ads or don’t even notice them, depending on how into the topic you are. For instance, when I read street art magazines, I *love* the ads. When I read Esquire, I skip a lot of the ads, because I’m not in the market for a slippery suit or whatever.

      The content, the part I come to the magazines for, is still there in both cases. I just don’t feel as engaged in it when in some magazines or another.

      In my blog, which is a free daily source of material with years and years of useful content, you’re fully welcome to skip the posts you don’t like. Absolutely free. I will never force you to read a post or article on chrisbrogan.com . Just won’t.

      As for the ads? You’re also absolutely welcome to skip them. Lots of people do. And those who find some value in the things I offer, which I believe to be useful to my community, they support me and many charities as a result.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      It’s a good point, Matt. My blog exists to give my audience something I hope they’ll find useful. That’s what I’ve set it up to do. Not all blogs are required to do that. That’s just my goal for mine.

      I assume you read magazines of some kind or another. There are ads in them. You either like the ads or don’t even notice them, depending on how into the topic you are. For instance, when I read street art magazines, I *love* the ads. When I read Esquire, I skip a lot of the ads, because I’m not in the market for a slippery suit or whatever.

      The content, the part I come to the magazines for, is still there in both cases. I just don’t feel as engaged in it when in some magazines or another.

      In my blog, which is a free daily source of material with years and years of useful content, you’re fully welcome to skip the posts you don’t like. Absolutely free. I will never force you to read a post or article on chrisbrogan.com . Just won’t.

      As for the ads? You’re also absolutely welcome to skip them. Lots of people do. And those who find some value in the things I offer, which I believe to be useful to my community, they support me and many charities as a result.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      It’s a good point, Matt. My blog exists to give my audience something I hope they’ll find useful. That’s what I’ve set it up to do. Not all blogs are required to do that. That’s just my goal for mine.

      I assume you read magazines of some kind or another. There are ads in them. You either like the ads or don’t even notice them, depending on how into the topic you are. For instance, when I read street art magazines, I *love* the ads. When I read Esquire, I skip a lot of the ads, because I’m not in the market for a slippery suit or whatever.

      The content, the part I come to the magazines for, is still there in both cases. I just don’t feel as engaged in it when in some magazines or another.

      In my blog, which is a free daily source of material with years and years of useful content, you’re fully welcome to skip the posts you don’t like. Absolutely free. I will never force you to read a post or article on chrisbrogan.com . Just won’t.

      As for the ads? You’re also absolutely welcome to skip them. Lots of people do. And those who find some value in the things I offer, which I believe to be useful to my community, they support me and many charities as a result.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      It’s a good point, Matt. My blog exists to give my audience something I hope they’ll find useful. That’s what I’ve set it up to do. Not all blogs are required to do that. That’s just my goal for mine.

      I assume you read magazines of some kind or another. There are ads in them. You either like the ads or don’t even notice them, depending on how into the topic you are. For instance, when I read street art magazines, I *love* the ads. When I read Esquire, I skip a lot of the ads, because I’m not in the market for a slippery suit or whatever.

      The content, the part I come to the magazines for, is still there in both cases. I just don’t feel as engaged in it when in some magazines or another.

      In my blog, which is a free daily source of material with years and years of useful content, you’re fully welcome to skip the posts you don’t like. Absolutely free. I will never force you to read a post or article on chrisbrogan.com . Just won’t.

      As for the ads? You’re also absolutely welcome to skip them. Lots of people do. And those who find some value in the things I offer, which I believe to be useful to my community, they support me and many charities as a result.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      It’s a good point, Matt. My blog exists to give my audience something I hope they’ll find useful. That’s what I’ve set it up to do. Not all blogs are required to do that. That’s just my goal for mine.

      I assume you read magazines of some kind or another. There are ads in them. You either like the ads or don’t even notice them, depending on how into the topic you are. For instance, when I read street art magazines, I *love* the ads. When I read Esquire, I skip a lot of the ads, because I’m not in the market for a slippery suit or whatever.

      The content, the part I come to the magazines for, is still there in both cases. I just don’t feel as engaged in it when in some magazines or another.

      In my blog, which is a free daily source of material with years and years of useful content, you’re fully welcome to skip the posts you don’t like. Absolutely free. I will never force you to read a post or article on chrisbrogan.com . Just won’t.

      As for the ads? You’re also absolutely welcome to skip them. Lots of people do. And those who find some value in the things I offer, which I believe to be useful to my community, they support me and many charities as a result.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      It’s a good point, Matt. My blog exists to give my audience something I hope they’ll find useful. That’s what I’ve set it up to do. Not all blogs are required to do that. That’s just my goal for mine.

      I assume you read magazines of some kind or another. There are ads in them. You either like the ads or don’t even notice them, depending on how into the topic you are. For instance, when I read street art magazines, I *love* the ads. When I read Esquire, I skip a lot of the ads, because I’m not in the market for a slippery suit or whatever.

      The content, the part I come to the magazines for, is still there in both cases. I just don’t feel as engaged in it when in some magazines or another.

      In my blog, which is a free daily source of material with years and years of useful content, you’re fully welcome to skip the posts you don’t like. Absolutely free. I will never force you to read a post or article on chrisbrogan.com . Just won’t.

      As for the ads? You’re also absolutely welcome to skip them. Lots of people do. And those who find some value in the things I offer, which I believe to be useful to my community, they support me and many charities as a result.

    • http://www.bizchickblogs.com Tia Peterson, BizChickBlogs

      “I come to ChrisBrogan.com (and other sites, of course) for knowledge – not necessarily to be sold something.”

      You are technically being sold ideas, here and anywhere else. We are always being sold and we are always buying. Not to get too philosophical but that is the nature of communication. So if you trust that he knows everything about marketing and nothing about cameras, per se, I guess that’s your deal. But if you trust that he is an honest person – honest enough for you to follow his “knowledge” and sell you on his ideas – your trust should not stop at just marketing and ideas. But perhaps it does. That’s on you.

      Is your issue with the fact that he makes money if you click on a link and buy something, or is your issue with the fact that he is referencing something you feel is outside his scope of expertise? What if he recommends a book on marketing and makes money off of that?

      • Anonymous

        I don’t know that I agree that I’m being sold ideas, here or anywhere else. But you do make a good point about my trust stopping at the outer limits of the blog’s scope. That, I suppose, is the function of my relationship with Chris being little more than that of any speaker to his audience. As you said, that’s “my deal.”

    • http://www.bizchickblogs.com Tia Peterson, BizChickBlogs

      “I come to ChrisBrogan.com (and other sites, of course) for knowledge – not necessarily to be sold something.”

      You are technically being sold ideas, here and anywhere else. We are always being sold and we are always buying. Not to get too philosophical but that is the nature of communication. So if you trust that he knows everything about marketing and nothing about cameras, per se, I guess that’s your deal. But if you trust that he is an honest person – honest enough for you to follow his “knowledge” and sell you on his ideas – your trust should not stop at just marketing and ideas. But perhaps it does. That’s on you.

      Is your issue with the fact that he makes money if you click on a link and buy something, or is your issue with the fact that he is referencing something you feel is outside his scope of expertise? What if he recommends a book on marketing and makes money off of that?

  • http://scottgould.me/ Scott Gould

    Thanks for de-mystifying this, as well as removing some of the stigma attached.

  • http://mydarabell.com/ Dara Bell

    Think this is great advice stumbled on a girl in Linked In answers who was confused and needing info on Commission junction. I think the PR point is good one in this piece with PR people really struggling to come to terms with tools, at least as I understand it.

    Think the blog is important with this regard and area I have to work on. Making the blog look slicker and getting the about page sorted. Made an error bucking the WordPress trend and not just getting basics which are standard on many WP themes. Still do not know if my blog has a Marketing function or PR function.

    I might be a bit gimicky but I would like to see bloggers use more video, more pictures and maybe some more ways to demo stuff. I think this would make sense before we all start adding FS, Gowalla. Really though each to his or her own.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      I totally agree about video. Know who does this well? @affiliatetip (Shawn Collins). He’s so good.

      • http://mydarabell.com/ Dara Bell

        When is the teaching happening. Just wondering as I am on the list,
        wanna know what to do next, if you can talk about that.

        Dara

      • http://mydarabell.com/ Dara Bell

        When is the teaching happening. Just wondering as I am on the list,
        wanna know what to do next, if you can talk about that.

        Dara

      • http://mydarabell.com/ Dara Bell

        When is the teaching happening. Just wondering as I am on the list,
        wanna know what to do next, if you can talk about that.

        Dara

      • http://mydarabell.com/ Dara Bell

        When is the teaching happening. Just wondering as I am on the list,
        wanna know what to do next, if you can talk about that.

        Dara

      • http://mydarabell.com/ Dara Bell

        When is the teaching happening. Just wondering as I am on the list,
        wanna know what to do next, if you can talk about that.

        Dara

      • http://mydarabell.com/ Dara Bell

        When is the teaching happening. Just wondering as I am on the list,
        wanna know what to do next, if you can talk about that.

        Dara

      • http://mydarabell.com/ Dara Bell

        When is the teaching happening. Just wondering as I am on the list,
        wanna know what to do next, if you can talk about that.

        Dara

      • http://mydarabell.com/ Dara Bell

        When is the teaching happening. Just wondering as I am on the list,
        wanna know what to do next, if you can talk about that.

        Dara

      • http://mydarabell.com/ Dara Bell

        When is the teaching happening. Just wondering as I am on the list,
        wanna know what to do next, if you can talk about that.

        Dara

      • http://mydarabell.com/ Dara Bell

        When is the teaching happening. Just wondering as I am on the list,
        wanna know what to do next, if you can talk about that.

        Dara

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      I totally agree about video. Know who does this well? @affiliatetip (Shawn Collins). He’s so good.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      I totally agree about video. Know who does this well? @affiliatetip (Shawn Collins). He’s so good.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      I totally agree about video. Know who does this well? @affiliatetip (Shawn Collins). He’s so good.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      I totally agree about video. Know who does this well? @affiliatetip (Shawn Collins). He’s so good.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      I totally agree about video. Know who does this well? @affiliatetip (Shawn Collins). He’s so good.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      I totally agree about video. Know who does this well? @affiliatetip (Shawn Collins). He’s so good.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      I totally agree about video. Know who does this well? @affiliatetip (Shawn Collins). He’s so good.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      I totally agree about video. Know who does this well? @affiliatetip (Shawn Collins). He’s so good.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      I totally agree about video. Know who does this well? @affiliatetip (Shawn Collins). He’s so good.

  • http://www.google.com/profiles/Strodtbeck.C Strodtbeck

    Great points Chris. I think affiliates are fine if you are there first and formost for your users and not just to sell something. Unfortunately far too many are out just to sell anything and everything. . .

  • http://twitter.com/annatalerico Anna Talerico

    I don't live in the affiliate world, so I read this post through the lens of transparency. There doesn't need to be hand-wringing on any front if everyone is transparent about their relationships.

  • http://www.pjmullen.com/ PJ Mullen

    I see no problem with affiliate marketing. As a consumer the programs I've seen don't increase the cost of the product to me to accommodate the commissions paid to the affiliates marketing the product or service. If the end result of my purchase is someone I know, and trust, making a few bucks from it, it's all good.

    As a blogger (I'm a Thesis affiliate) I ensure that any link on my site is clearly marked as such.

    Regardless of whether the relationship is fully disclosed or not it is still my responsibility to further research something I'm going to purchase, especially if the product is a high ticket item/service.

    • http://www.bizchickblogs.com Tia Peterson, BizChickBlogs

      Wholly agree with PJ here. I think there’s some psychology to consider with affiliate marketing and why “people” don’t like it very much. There’s the assumption that people can’t be genuine and make money at the same time. I think it’s age old – goes well past modern affiliate marketing. People have always been about cutting out the middle man. What they don’t realize is that they’re pretty much always buying from a middle man.

      Where affiliate marketing loses its credibility is in the very thing that makes it worthwhile – the money. Your friend can recommend a camera to you and you will buy it. Your friend’s friend can recommend a camera to you, and be upfront about making money off of that recommendation. Would you think twice? Probably. Because they are your friend’s friend? No. It’s because they’re making money off of it.

    • http://www.bizchickblogs.com Tia Peterson, BizChickBlogs

      Wholly agree with PJ here. I think there’s some psychology to consider with affiliate marketing and why “people” don’t like it very much. There’s the assumption that people can’t be genuine and make money at the same time. I think it’s age old – goes well past modern affiliate marketing. People have always been about cutting out the middle man. What they don’t realize is that they’re pretty much always buying from a middle man.

      Where affiliate marketing loses its credibility is in the very thing that makes it worthwhile – the money. Your friend can recommend a camera to you and you will buy it. Your friend’s friend can recommend a camera to you, and be upfront about making money off of that recommendation. Would you think twice? Probably. Because they are your friend’s friend? No. It’s because they’re making money off of it.

  • http://www.briandshelton.com Brian D. Shelton

    Chris,

    First, let me say that my initial reaction to the term “affiliate marketing” is a negative one. Which actually made me think about why that is. My conclusion: it's the people and the approach, not the model.

    I can always tell when a “product launch” is happening because I get mountains of emails from people with their “affiliate links” and “amazing bonus” offers. Unfortunately, it comes off looking more like a pack of hungry wolves fighting for table scraps than an honest attempt to offer me something they truly find valuable. That's the problem (and the reason I have been unsubscribing from lists at a feverish pace).

    So, in an effort to change my own mindset, I decided to ditch the term “affiliate marketing” and think of it simply as a “distributor model.” In the ideal scenario, affiliates are basically like distributors who employ word-of-mouth “advertising” to get the message out about a great product or service. When done correctly, you (as an affiliate) are connecting a buyer with a product/service provider and the product/service provider says “thank you” by giving you some kind of “commission.” And, assuming you disclose it, the person who is buying the product is doing so on your recommendation (you are the trust agent, right?) and are happy to “let you” get your just reward as a result.

    My best,
    @briandshelton

  • http://twitter.com/phototakeouter Marc Seyon

    I think that's exactly the problem though – not everyone _is_ transparent about these relationships, and that tends to muddy the waters for those who are.

    • http://www.looble.com/ deceth

      I am perfectly transparent about my affiliate relationships. So transparent, you can’t even see them.

      LOL! High fives am I right?

    • http://www.looble.com/ deceth

      I am perfectly transparent about my affiliate relationships. So transparent, you can’t even see them.

      LOL! High fives am I right?

  • rickg

    @matt shaw -You're missing something. You assume that every post Chris does has to be exactly what you want and nothing more or it's without merit and calls Chris' character into question. I think you're wrong to state that as an absolute. For example a few posts ago Chris put up a short video and mentioned that people often ask what he uses to make those. He told us and it was an affiliate link. That seems fine to me. He might post a review of that camera so he can point people to it when they ask about how he makes his videos.

    You might want to object “but that's not what *I* want here” to which I'd reply… “Fine, don't read that post. Not every single word on a blog needs to be exactly what you want in order for the blog to give you value over time.”

    Chris – I think people find the term affiliate marketing to be negative because a lot of folks don't use it as a light revenue addon to promote things they love and would likely talk about anyway, but rather build sites that are mostly there to draw in traffic and get visitors to click links and buy things that can be rather shady. It's the inverse of what you do here – instead of providing a lot of value and dropping in the occasional affiliate link as it fits, they create a site that's all about the affiliate links and drops in a little value to make the site seem legit. There are perfectly good variations of this – a site that genuinely reviews a class of products (cameras, books, computer monitors, whatever) with affiliate links as the way that they monetize the site…. but it's sometimes hard to tell those apart from the spammy link rich sites.

  • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

    Precisely, on your last points, Rick. Hope you're well.

  • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

    I quite agree, Brian. It's the approach. there are ways to look at it that would be much better. You've got a great term in this one.

  • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

    I quite agree. Clear markings and the like, but the research is important.

  • http://impulsemagazine.net Impulse Magazine

    Affiliate marketing will always have a bad reputation due to the fact that there were so many marketers that were trying to get over on people

  • http://www.newcommbiz.com tacanderson

    I do find it hilarious that the PR people think they have any room to point fingers.

    The problem isn't the business model it's the people who abuse it. Yes there are lots of great affiliate programs, but they're overshadowed by the spammers. There are lots of great sales people but they're over shadowed by the sleazy sales guy. There are lots of great multilevel marketing programs out there but they're over shadowed by the bad ones. There are even lots of great PR people out there but their over shadowed by the lazy flacks. And there are lots of great social media blogger out there but their over shadowed by the Kool-Aid drinkers who have nothing netter to do than to tell people the right and wrong way to do things.

    All that aside, money effects every relationship. You can deny it or justify it however you want but on some level it just does. It doesn't have to do so to the detriment of the relationship but it puts, at least that conversation, on a different level.

    Chris, when people ask me if you are as nice in real life as you seem online I can honestly answer that you're nicer. And you and I know you can't say that about a good number of people in this space. But even when you promote your affiliate relationships I'm usually not interested partly because I know you're getting paid for it. Partly because I don't read your blog for product recommendations. But beyond that I don't care if you're getting paid. You work harder than lots of people in this space you better be making some money along the way. I read the posts I want and skip the ones I don't, no big deal.

    Don't listen to the Kool-Aid drinking purists just because their business model is different than your business model.

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  • http://www.r4-kaart.nl/ iedge

    Very nice article on Affiliate marketing, it has been very nice to read about this. Affiliate marketing can be a profitable business if it’s done right, but there are many mistakes that can ruin your chances for success. It is very necessary to know about this things. Very helpful for me. I agree that Affiliate marketing will always have a bad reputation due to the fact that there were so many marketers that were trying to get over on people.

  • http://www.wordandmouth.com Dave Thackeray

    Affiliate marketing could get a shot in the arm if it reengineered in favour of payout to the referrer when the client actively 'favours' the purchase.

    Kind of like a double opt-in.

    Let me explain: If I trust you enough to click your link, I also want to trust in myself for buying the product or service from that colourful square on your site.

    So I try the product out, and self-endorse the item, just as you did when you got my attention.

    I register my assent for your fine choice of product and the commission is paid to the referrer.

    The majority of sales you make through affiliate marketing are to people who respect you and your voice. Therefore I don't think this kind of process is stretching at all. In fact, I think it could totally reenergise an industry that has reaped a questionable reputation.

    I admire your stance on this, Chris. Had you started supporting the Headway theme for WordPress doubtless I'd be buying that right now via you (I'm cogitating over Chris Garrett going down that route but you for sure would have sealed the deal!)

    Interesting times.

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