As Marketers Evolve

Antique Grocery store from another time

I recently re-read this great article about how many marketers are moving into partnerships with product makers so that they own more equity in the product and so that they own more of the design and development stages as well. This is interesting, because it’s the opposite of showing up for work as a marketer for a company. Instead of pushing Coke or Fritos or whatever, you’re making a deal with John’s Original Lime Rickey and building it into something you can sell better. It’s what my friend, Tim Hayden and I called during a recent discussion “having some of my own ponies in the race.”

Not everyone will go that route. It’s tricky. It requires one to be an investor. It requires a sense that the marketplace will support your product and it requires a lot of thought into the ways it differs to work for a company versus be part of the ownership of a product (or service).

If you do think that way, I think the way to go is with local and/or small businesses on the one hand, and with huge outsourcing and manufacturing teams on the other. For instance, if I know someone who makes an amazing premium cupcake, I just have to figure out a way to dropship it safely, and I could really add to that person’s bottom line. If I could partner with a Chinese manufacturing company, I could create some kind of product that appeals to the kinds of people I’ve built my community around. Either way, I wouldn’t be just selling someone else’s product. I’d be partnered, and that would include shouldering more of the burden, but also reaping more of the rewards.

There’s more on this in this thread at Third Tribe Marketing (membership required). We go on to talk about the evolution and some ideas and some pitfalls.

I’d love to hear your thoughts.

ChrisBrogan.com runs on the Genesis Framework

Genesis Theme Framework

The Genesis Framework empowers you to quickly and easily build incredible websites with WordPress. Whether you're a novice or advanced developer, Genesis provides you with the secure and search-engine-optimized foundation that takes WordPress to places you never thought it could go.

With automatic theme updates and world-class support included, Genesis is the smart choice for your WordPress website or blog.

Become a StudioPress Affiliate

  • Anonymous

    Almost all the products I’ve seen for sale on the web have been e-products. Sometimes I wonder if the Matrix was right and everything is an illusion=there are no cupcakes, no spoon….

  • http://twitter.com/deannatroupe DeAnna Troupe

    This is an interesting concept to me. As an author, I guess I need to start making friends with some of these marketers. I can write and they can market! Sounds like a win-win to me.

  • http://www.nathanmeffert.com Nathan Meffert

    Definitely Chris. I do a lot of this. I frees me up to do what I do best – innovate, tell stories, and connect. It also frees the “product artists” to do what they do best. It’s an example of how knowing your place in the ecosystem can lead to much more powerful results for everyone. Thanks!

  • http://www.nathanmeffert.com Nathan Meffert

    Definitely Chris. I do a lot of this. I frees me up to do what I do best – innovate, tell stories, and connect. It also frees the “product artists” to do what they do best. It’s an example of how knowing your place in the ecosystem can lead to much more powerful results for everyone. Thanks!

  • Anonymous

    I think this is a smart way to approach any job, not just marketing. When I worked in a sales and marketing role, I always treated my job as if I had the pony in the race… even though someone else owned the company. I did not actually have a piece of the ownership, but I believe to promote something you must mean it inside your soul. When you do this a good boss sees your commitment and rewards (sadly, not all of the bosses “get it”).

    Now that I work for myself, and I am part of the product…. I live it.

  • Anonymous

    I think this is a smart way to approach any job, not just marketing. When I worked in a sales and marketing role, I always treated my job as if I had the pony in the race… even though someone else owned the company. I did not actually have a piece of the ownership, but I believe to promote something you must mean it inside your soul. When you do this a good boss sees your commitment and rewards (sadly, not all of the bosses “get it”).

    Now that I work for myself, and I am part of the product…. I live it.

  • http://www.pushingsocial.com Stanford @ PushingSocial

    I DO hope that marketing is evolving in this direction. I know that Pay for Performance models are very attractive to product producers but many times not so beneficial for the agency.

    But, if the agency is willing to take a stake in the design/production/distribution of the product then the partnership could pay off handsomely. I wonder though if the biggest roadblock is from the production partner vs the marketing.

  • http://www.pushingsocial.com Stanford @ PushingSocial

    I DO hope that marketing is evolving in this direction. I know that Pay for Performance models are very attractive to product producers but many times not so beneficial for the agency.

    But, if the agency is willing to take a stake in the design/production/distribution of the product then the partnership could pay off handsomely. I wonder though if the biggest roadblock is from the production partner vs the marketing.

  • http://twitter.com/BobGolobish Bob Golobish

    Yep, that sums it up “having some of my own ponies in the race.” If you don’t, then it is hard to stay motivated and focused.

  • http://twitter.com/GACConsultants Mark Harai

    Hi Chris,

    I’ve made much more money from equity and partnerships (vested) than I’ve made from fee’s. I don’t work for fee’s – I’m far more valuable than that.

  • http://www.margieclayman.com Marjorie Clayman

    The only thing I would say about a marketer partnering with a manufacturer is that I think an external perspective can be really important for a manufacturer. When you manufacture, your product (be it a premium cupcake or capital equipment) is your baby. You live and breathe it. Working with an outside marketer (say…I don’t know…an agency?) allows a different perspective – a perspective of someone who would be approaching the product at first the same way your customers will.

    I would find it hard to be open to other marketing ideas if I was marketing a product I also had a hand in making.

    Does that make sense?

  • http://www.theemotionmachine.com Steven

    “I’d be partnered, and that would include shouldering more of the burden, but also reaping more of the rewards.”

    That is what entrepreneurship is all about, isn’t it?

  • http://twitter.com/gracefullygirly Kimberlee Cantwell

    What a great concept. Maybe it’s a backlash to the “you’re just a number” game of big corporations these days. Remember when people used to be a valuable part of a corp.? Well, I must admit I don’t exactly remember, but I remember my uncle talking about it when I was a kid and I’ve read about how it gave people’s jobs (and therefore lives) more meaning, more security, more value. How can you be “invested” emotionally when you’re not a PART of the company, or at least valued/treated as if you are. To be part of the game, I imagine it helps people stand behind what they do and leads to huge increases in job satisfaction also. This partnership, “having some of my own ponies in the race” would make someone WANT to work hard.

    And, 2 heads are better than one! As a small business designer/manufacturer and owner I fully admit that I’m better at some things than others, and marketing is not one of those I’m good at. If I had someone also vested I would have more focus on the things to improve the products and someone whose experience was in marketing could focus energies on that. On first glance, it seems like a win-win to me.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      That might certainly be it.

  • http://twitter.com/swoodruff Steve Woodruff

    Building quality networks allows entrepreneurs/marketers to BRING a pony to the race – an audience and pre-built influence. That’s going to grow in importance. As it should – increasingly, creating “stuff” will be commodity, and having influence and ready-made marketplaces will be the truly valuable link in the chain.

  • http://wordsdonewrite.blogspot.com Words Done Write

    This reminds me of the points that Seth Godin makes throughout his book, Purple Cow. Marketing isn’t as much about selling what you’re given, but making the product itself a notch above the rest. What better way to ensure that than to be a partner in the company? I like that approach a lot.

    * Next time, please use a non-edible example, Chris. I jonesing for a cupcake now (and Chinese food)… :->

    Amber Avines
    @wordsdonewrite

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      Quite so, Amber. I’m with you. Oh, and as for the food, I wrote this while hungry. : )

  • Svisio

    There are serial entrepreneurs who are great at spotting a need and making a business out of it. Kind of a case of those who can do and those who can’t market. I am leery of all the people who try to be marketers, especially after an economic downturn. Marketing is way more than tasks you can charge for.

  • http://paulcarterjr.posterous.com Paul Carter Jr. #pcjr

    Why do you think the best advertising companies today are NOT focused on affiliate marketing products/services online yet? Advertising dollars are declining by comparison to previous years. Being a partner is seems to require being an investor.

    What? Are the profits in affiliate programs not great enough for advertising agencies or too much work required in order to get paid? Work first, maybe get paid later if you really sell or bring us customers. Not the business model they want to follow? Many advertising firms do mostly entertainment in there sales copy than actual core selling, it appears.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      I think most agencies are out for the big dollar hits and not the incremental dollar adds.

      • http://paulcarterjr.posterous.com Paul Carter Jr. #pcjr

        Perhaps I can’t blame them competing for the big dollar verses the incremental dollar. It makes sense from that perspective. On the other hand, that’s perhaps a good thing for the little marketers, at least for now. Eventually, the savvy little marketers will become larger and larger, and the big advertisers might start noticing, changing there strategies, making it very very competitive for an individual to get into the affiliate marketing game, I think. Thanks for the response Chris! :)

  • http://www.theemotionmachine.com Steven

    “Either way, I wouldn’t be just selling someone else’s product. I’d be partnered, and that would include shouldering more of the burden, but also reaping more of the rewards. ”

    These are all good points. I think the more business ownership becomes collectivized the better incentives every partner/worker has to do their very best. This of course also means sharing the profits in a more egalitarian or merit-based system.

  • http://www.mpoweringu.com Brian Hamlett

    Most marketers in my experience cannot be investors. They do not seem to like to “share” the overall burden of taking a product to market. Because when something goes wrong or sales are not what was expected, they need somewhere to point the blame (just in my experience.) That’s why I went into business for myself. What I gleaned from this article? That you’re really asking marketers to become entrepreneurs and that’s a mindset that’s not going to be in every marketer, but the ones that do have it (like you said) will reap the rewards!

    How do you teach corporate marketers to be more entrepreneurial?

GetSocial