Be Wary of Creating Pedestals

goddess Steve Garfield gave me some really great advice in late 2006, when I sat at his kitchen table (also known as a major set piece of the Carol and Steve Show). He said, “People are people. Just treat them that way.” You might think that’s simple advice, but it was exactly what I needed, and it has shaped and guided the way I interact with people in this space. I want to pass the same advice on to you. When meeting the Internet “famous,” or anyone you think might be “someone,” please realize that people are just people, and that you matter.

Interactions Are The Same

At CES2009, I met many people, including Kirsten Wright. Kirsten is a creative copywriter from the Orange County area of California, and very engaging. Her best trait, in my opinion, is how she learned to become bold. I enjoyed breakfast with her at the Bellagio Cafe, and imagine we’ll be working with each other in some way in 2009, given her talent and energy.

I also had opportunity to talk with Robert Scoble about the innovation and immediacy of manufacturing in China while at Jeff Pulver‘s Social Media Jungle. Robert had a few moments to talk with me in between talking with other folks at the event, as we both enjoy meeting new (to us) faces and learning about people. The interactions between Robert and Kirsten were the same. We both talked. We both had something to say. We both were excited for a moment together.

I spent time with people like Ria Sharon and Ted Murphy and even waved hi to MC Hammer. (Yes, THAT MC Hammer). I spent time with everyone from superblogger from ReadWrite Web, Sarah Perez to handsome Ben Grossman to Tim, my cab driver who had a future in stand-up, if ever his wife lets him.

The Point Is: People Are People

I had the opportunity to speak for an hour at Las Vegas WordCamp, and I think the number one thing I heard back from people was, “Wow, I didn’t realize you were funny.” This poses two problems: one, my wife tries to disabuse me of the notion that I’m actually funny (to keep my ego level) and second, I really am funny and personable and comments like that make me worry that you think I’m fancy or something. (You know who you are, “fancy” caller.)

Is it Numbers?

I think people get confused by numbers. I am followed by 33,000 folks on Twitter. I had 245,000 unique visitors last month. I’m #6 in Advertising Age’s Power 150, #68 in the Technorati Top 100. Numbers, numbers, numbers. I think that’s part of the problem.

Because, even though I use those numbers as a gauge of what I’m doing here, what I spend my time and attention on is making connections. Many hours out of every day go into making relationships with you. Look at any given page of my twitter traffic. Realize that I’m my own #1 commenter on this blog. I spend hours every day answering email and phone calls from folks who often times want nothing more than to connect.

Scale is One Issue

One way that people might mistake someone for being worthy of a pedestal is when that person gets so busy that simple contact isn’t as simple. It’s hard to keep up with everyone in Twitter ( I’ve written about how I do it here). I can’t answer every email, etc, etc. But that doesn’t make us any difference in importance, or either of us any more or less worthy of respect or human treatment. It just means that sometimes someone is very busy and can’t manage all the different requests made.

I look at people like Peter Shankman (who I finally met in Las Vegas) and Guy Kawasaki and Jeff Jarvis and oh so many others, and I know that they struggle with managing scale, too, and yet, they all try. Everyone tries.

The Confidence Game

Perhaps the only difference that seems palpable is that, because I’ve had a lot of positive social proof, you might perceive a certain confidence in me that would make you worry that I’m not just like you. There’s some truth to the fact that the way the world responds to my work makes me feel better, but know also that I’ve worked long and hard on making my internal opinion, my self-opinion, the most important voice in my confidence. It’s probably in this area that the potential for accidental pedestals comes up.

But ask anyone who’s spent any amount of time with me how they were treated. Ask them whether I bragged about myself or if I snubbed them the moment someone more ‘famous’ showed up. It’s just not in my game (or in anyone worthwhile that I’ve met who qualifies as famous, Internet or otherwise) to treat someone badly based on some kind of perceived status.

With that said, know that you are valuable. You are important. And never intimate or believe that you are somehow lesser or not worthy, or whatever words spring to mind. Not to me, not to anyone worthwhile.

Want more thoughts on this? I wrote about this in a post entitled Be Sexier in Person.

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  • http://myhomesweethomeonline.net Dawn @ My Home Sweet Home

    Great post! I’m off to read your other one you linked.

  • http://myhomesweethomeonline.net Dawn @ My Home Sweet Home

    Great post! I’m off to read your other one you linked.

  • http://www.geekmommy.net Lucretia Pruitt

    Brilliantly dead on as always… But also the reason that I hear so often “Chris Brogan seems like a really nice guy – normal and down to Earth” after people meet you at a conference. Because when you start believing your own press, or even other people’s press, you stop having a conversation and start having a fanversation – and I think those of us who love this space are all about the former, not the latter.

    Kudos as usual.

  • http://www.geekmommy.net Lucretia Pruitt

    Brilliantly dead on as always… But also the reason that I hear so often “Chris Brogan seems like a really nice guy – normal and down to Earth” after people meet you at a conference. Because when you start believing your own press, or even other people’s press, you stop having a conversation and start having a fanversation – and I think those of us who love this space are all about the former, not the latter.

    Kudos as usual.

  • http://TheOperationsGuy.com/ Apolinaras Sinkevicius

    Chris,
    Good job! Very good article that is relevant to many readers. I sure will forward the link to couple of guys and gals I mentor, so they know I am not pulling this out of my behind when I tell them to just be themselves and not get intimidated.
    If you are genuine, people will respond, no matter how successful they have gotten. As a matter of fact, the higher you climb, the more you need support from below. I bet you, Guy, and any others are more than happy to spent 5-10 minutes chatting with someone who is not blowing smoke up your behinds and is genuinely interested in providing value to the relationship. Do give and you shall receive.
    http://twitter.com/apsinkus

  • http://leanstartups.com Apolinaras “Apollo” Sinkevicius

    Chris,
    Good job! Very good article that is relevant to many readers. I sure will forward the link to couple of guys and gals I mentor, so they know I am not pulling this out of my behind when I tell them to just be themselves and not get intimidated.
    If you are genuine, people will respond, no matter how successful they have gotten. As a matter of fact, the higher you climb, the more you need support from below. I bet you, Guy, and any others are more than happy to spent 5-10 minutes chatting with someone who is not blowing smoke up your behinds and is genuinely interested in providing value to the relationship. Do give and you shall receive.
    http://twitter.com/apsinkus

  • http://byteresawu.com Teresa Wu

    Chris,
    Your humbleness is seriously inspiring. I think sometimes we all need to remember what you’ve said here. People like Guy and Gary V have sent me very nice replies before, despite being absolutely inundated with emails, I’m sure… I think that’s what I love most about people who are avid participators in social media — they are most often incredibly genuine, helpful, and willing to do as much as they can on an individual level.

  • http://byteresawu.com Teresa Wu

    Chris,
    Your humbleness is seriously inspiring. I think sometimes we all need to remember what you’ve said here. People like Guy and Gary V have sent me very nice replies before, despite being absolutely inundated with emails, I’m sure… I think that’s what I love most about people who are avid participators in social media — they are most often incredibly genuine, helpful, and willing to do as much as they can on an individual level.

  • http://www.konayoga.com Barbara Uechi

    Chris,
    It’s not really a pedestal. You’re standing upon layers and layers of your own good, honest deeds and effort. It’s much easier for me to see where I want to go if you’re up there. I promise, if we ever meet in person, I will not bow deeply, more than once. :D

  • http://www.konayoga.com Barbara Uechi

    Chris,
    It’s not really a pedestal. You’re standing upon layers and layers of your own good, honest deeds and effort. It’s much easier for me to see where I want to go if you’re up there. I promise, if we ever meet in person, I will not bow deeply, more than once. :D

  • http://twitterdoit.com LisaJohnson

    I have to say the person who told me about Twitter was @Pistachio and I just nodded, logged on and got an account. I’ve mingled at PodCamp Boston 2&3 and walked up to just about anyone and struck up a conversation. Only later when I started following them did I realized who they “were.” It’s one of the best things about Twitter. Popularity might be crucial for your business reason for being here but mostly I find as my followers increase, it’s a great opportunity to just meet some really, really cool people. I feel like home here and you guys are all my friends, cousins and siblings. It’s a great community that I hope stays pretty much the way it is.

  • http://twitterdoit.com LisaJohnson

    I have to say the person who told me about Twitter was @Pistachio and I just nodded, logged on and got an account. I’ve mingled at PodCamp Boston 2&3 and walked up to just about anyone and struck up a conversation. Only later when I started following them did I realized who they “were.” It’s one of the best things about Twitter. Popularity might be crucial for your business reason for being here but mostly I find as my followers increase, it’s a great opportunity to just meet some really, really cool people. I feel like home here and you guys are all my friends, cousins and siblings. It’s a great community that I hope stays pretty much the way it is.

  • http://www.croz.com.au Croz from Oz

    Hi Chris

    I LOVE your work. Just one question have you met Joe Vitali? and if you have please tell me that he is normal in real life. He comes across on the internet as one arrogant son of a ****. Who cares how many cars he has and how much they cost? It would be interesting to know Please @me to crozfromoz on twitter if you have any information

    Abundance to All

    Croz

  • http://www.croz.com.au Croz from Oz

    Hi Chris

    I LOVE your work. Just one question have you met Joe Vitali? and if you have please tell me that he is normal in real life. He comes across on the internet as one arrogant son of a ****. Who cares how many cars he has and how much they cost? It would be interesting to know Please @me to crozfromoz on twitter if you have any information

    Abundance to All

    Croz

  • Anna Haggerty

    Wow what a great reception you have had on this post!
    I like the fact you have been so open and candid on this topic, if not a bit self promoting (as we all should be!) It appears from the comments many are star struck around certain people, whether the celeb has done anything to earn that fame or not.

    We all need heros and mentors to look up to and the internet makes it a whole lot easier to access these people, and in itself created a whole range of celebs. What I find especially with Twitter is that you get for the first time a real sense of what a person is like.

    So yes as you have said “People are just people” but some you will naturally be in awe of from the things they do or have achieved. And others should, in my opinion, take a good look around and be humbled by the real heros in this world who often go unnoticed.

  • Anna Haggerty

    Wow what a great reception you have had on this post!
    I like the fact you have been so open and candid on this topic, if not a bit self promoting (as we all should be!) It appears from the comments many are star struck around certain people, whether the celeb has done anything to earn that fame or not.

    We all need heros and mentors to look up to and the internet makes it a whole lot easier to access these people, and in itself created a whole range of celebs. What I find especially with Twitter is that you get for the first time a real sense of what a person is like.

    So yes as you have said “People are just people” but some you will naturally be in awe of from the things they do or have achieved. And others should, in my opinion, take a good look around and be humbled by the real heros in this world who often go unnoticed.

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  • http://TheProvince.com/liveat5 Vanguy

    Great post – it should give a lot of people confidence who might otherwise be intimidated by assuming the social media/online space hierarchy is exactly like their workplace, high school, etc.

  • http://TheProvince.com/liveat5 Vanguy

    Great post – it should give a lot of people confidence who might otherwise be intimidated by assuming the social media/online space hierarchy is exactly like their workplace, high school, etc.

  • http://www.charlestonpr.com Cheryl Smithem

    Chris, such solid information is why we enjoy reading your words. I’d add to your post, the other two caveats which you alluded to: 1) Show up 2) Do the work; which you have. At the root of all life (after being fed, clothed, housed) is the need to feel loved/important in this world. Thank you for understanding humanity and for teaching us all.

  • http://www.charlestonpr.com Cheryl Smithem

    Chris, such solid information is why we enjoy reading your words. I’d add to your post, the other two caveats which you alluded to: 1) Show up 2) Do the work; which you have. At the root of all life (after being fed, clothed, housed) is the need to feel loved/important in this world. Thank you for understanding humanity and for teaching us all.

  • http://davefleet.com davefleet

    Great points Chris. The reason I still comment here is because you ARE all of those things, which I know from this site and from meeting you.

    On the other hand, there are plenty of A-listers who only converse with each other and rarely reply to the “little people.” They may just be people, but they don’t seem to view themselves as such. I understand the ‘scale’ argument but it’s clear that they decide to deal with it by prioritizing other high-profile personalities. That’s fine; it doesn’t hurt me.

    Still, I have no time for people who do put themselves on pedestals. I don’t comment, and rarely read, those “A-list” sites. Meanwhile, I read all of your posts. Thinking like that which you’ve shown here is why. Keep it up.

  • http://davefleet.com Dave Fleet

    Great points Chris. The reason I still comment here is because you ARE all of those things, which I know from this site and from meeting you.

    On the other hand, there are plenty of A-listers who only converse with each other and rarely reply to the “little people.” They may just be people, but they don’t seem to view themselves as such. I understand the ‘scale’ argument but it’s clear that they decide to deal with it by prioritizing other high-profile personalities. That’s fine; it doesn’t hurt me.

    Still, I have no time for people who do put themselves on pedestals. I don’t comment, and rarely read, those “A-list” sites. Meanwhile, I read all of your posts. Thinking like that which you’ve shown here is why. Keep it up.

  • http://fearlessblogger.com faryl

    Right on, Chris! I’ve had the experience of being a receptionist up through manager at various companies, interacting with folks ranging in positions from the copier repair guy to CEOs of Fortune 100 companies. I also had the amazing experience of working at a radio station and getting to spend time with musicians and actors.

    At the end of the day, everyone’s the same. We’re all people and we all deal with life, just different flavors of it.

    I believe in offering all people the same respect with regard to privacy and space as anyone else. That said, just because someone has a well known name, more money than I do (which, let’s face it, is just about anyone these days!) or a high power position, is not going to impact my decision to reach out my hand and say “Hi! How’s your day going?”.

  • http://fearlessblogger.com Faryl

    Right on, Chris! I’ve had the experience of being a receptionist up through manager at various companies, interacting with folks ranging in positions from the copier repair guy to CEOs of Fortune 100 companies. I also had the amazing experience of working at a radio station and getting to spend time with musicians and actors.

    At the end of the day, everyone’s the same. We’re all people and we all deal with life, just different flavors of it.

    I believe in offering all people the same respect with regard to privacy and space as anyone else. That said, just because someone has a well known name, more money than I do (which, let’s face it, is just about anyone these days!) or a high power position, is not going to impact my decision to reach out my hand and say “Hi! How’s your day going?”.

  • http://www.datexmedia.wordpress.com Scott Mahler-Datex Media

    I struggle with what you are talking about, on a much smaller scale. I feel the personal connection is so important to any aspect of life, but really sets one apart when speaking about business. I’ve actually stopped myself from growing my business because I wanted to make sure that I was able to keep up with the clients I already have and ensure they were getting the time and attention from me they deserveand I might add, they pay for. As far as feeling worthy enough compared to bigger companies and/or people than myself, I try and remember the exact things you’ve said here; people are just people and we are all worthy and valuable. That being said, while I don’t put people on a pedestal, I do admire those that have acheived more than I have and try and learn from them whenever I can.

  • http://www.datexmedia.wordpress.com Scott Mahler-Datex Media

    I struggle with what you are talking about, on a much smaller scale. I feel the personal connection is so important to any aspect of life, but really sets one apart when speaking about business. I’ve actually stopped myself from growing my business because I wanted to make sure that I was able to keep up with the clients I already have and ensure they were getting the time and attention from me they deserveand I might add, they pay for. As far as feeling worthy enough compared to bigger companies and/or people than myself, I try and remember the exact things you’ve said here; people are just people and we are all worthy and valuable. That being said, while I don’t put people on a pedestal, I do admire those that have acheived more than I have and try and learn from them whenever I can.

  • Anonymous

    I’m relatively new to actively utilizing social media, blogs and such for more than chatting with friends. Early on I read a lot about you and clearly you’re an online celebrity. It’s refreshing to hear someone such as yourself say you treat each person as equal, because if your head gets too big to treat everyone equally, then you’re not effectively using social media are you?
    I’m curious to know your early experiences with celebrity personalities online or off. Did you find people at all levels of celebrity status were generally willing to speak with you or have you experienced a lot of people putting themselves on pedestals?

    @InSeansOpinion

  • http://burnafterblogging.wordpress.com Sean Bailey

    I’m relatively new to actively utilizing social media, blogs and such for more than chatting with friends. Early on I read a lot about you and clearly you’re an online celebrity. It’s refreshing to hear someone such as yourself say you treat each person as equal, because if your head gets too big to treat everyone equally, then you’re not effectively using social media are you?
    I’m curious to know your early experiences with celebrity personalities online or off. Did you find people at all levels of celebrity status were generally willing to speak with you or have you experienced a lot of people putting themselves on pedestals?

    @InSeansOpinion

  • http://www.themurr.com/ David Murray

    I think there will always be that high school cafeteria mentality… its in our nature to form groups based on some sort pre-determined-DNA infested-sense of hierarchy.

    Maybe its the respect that you’ve earned based on what you achieved that gives you “rank” – fabricated or not its there. Those in your position have a great responsibility and with that will inevitably come certain connotations and expectations that we can only understand from reader perspective.

    The beauty of this medium is that instead of a corner office there is only a thing curtain separating reader to you. This creates the opportunity to shatter any preconceived expectations of who you are.

  • http://www.themurr.com DaveMurr

    I think there will always be that high school cafeteria mentality… its in our nature to form groups based on some sort pre-determined-DNA infested-sense of hierarchy.

    Maybe its the respect that you’ve earned based on what you achieved that gives you “rank” – fabricated or not its there. Those in your position have a great responsibility and with that will inevitably come certain connotations and expectations that we can only understand from reader perspective.

    The beauty of this medium is that instead of a corner office there is only a thing curtain separating reader to you. This creates the opportunity to shatter any preconceived expectations of who you are.

  • http://twitter.com/rlangdon Rayanne Langdon

    OMG, you mean you’d actually talk to me IRL?! ; )

    You are a stellar guy, Chris. Thanks for being real.

  • http://twitter.com/rlangdon Rayanne Langdon

    OMG, you mean you’d actually talk to me IRL?! ; )

    You are a stellar guy, Chris. Thanks for being real.

  • http://www.faevent.com Philippa

    Thanks for the great post. Nice to be reminded to not get fixated on the numbers game.

  • http://www.faevent.com Philippa

    Thanks for the great post. Nice to be reminded to not get fixated on the numbers game.

  • http://mintresumes.wordpress.com Marsha Keeffer

    So many accolades – let me add mine. This is a great reminder to us all to be personable and approachable. Guess it’s that old ‘you catch more flies with honey’ thing. Thanks, Chris – I always enjoy reading what you have to say….whenever, wherever!

  • http://mintresumes.wordpress.com Marsha Keeffer

    So many accolades – let me add mine. This is a great reminder to us all to be personable and approachable. Guess it’s that old ‘you catch more flies with honey’ thing. Thanks, Chris – I always enjoy reading what you have to say….whenever, wherever!

  • http://dannybrown.me Danny Brown

    Well NOW where am I going to offer my hero worship to…??!!? ;-)

    Although I’ve yet to meet you in person (hopefully ’09 may change that) I know from the help, guidance and support you’ve given me personally since we’ve known each other cements my opinion of you as one of the good guys.

    Humility goes a long way in my book – I’ve changed my views on many people based on that one crucial component. You’ve got it in spades, brother, and I’m glad to know you.

  • http://dannybrown.me Danny Brown

    Well NOW where am I going to offer my hero worship to…??!!? ;-)

    Although I’ve yet to meet you in person (hopefully ’09 may change that) I know from the help, guidance and support you’ve given me personally since we’ve known each other cements my opinion of you as one of the good guys.

    Humility goes a long way in my book – I’ve changed my views on many people based on that one crucial component. You’ve got it in spades, brother, and I’m glad to know you.

  • http://www.ArizonaMortgageTeam.com Justin McHood

    Saw you at blogworld ’08 in your Hawaiian shirt and thought you were a dork/dumbass/douchebag. Thought @pistachio talking about twitter was way cooler.

    Saw you at Vegas ’09 WordCamp in your business casual w/the power jacket and thought “this guy is a total star-wars nerd, but knows a bunch about social media”

    Which one is true?

    Probably both.

    But thanks for being transparent and just callin’ it like you see it – authenticity goes a long way. If K-mart or Sears want to pay you to post, fine by me — I might even go buy some sheets if you keep it up.

  • http://www.ArizonaMortgageTeam.com Justin McHood

    Saw you at blogworld ’08 in your Hawaiian shirt and thought you were a dork/dumbass/douchebag. Thought @pistachio talking about twitter was way cooler.

    Saw you at Vegas ’09 WordCamp in your business casual w/the power jacket and thought “this guy is a total star-wars nerd, but knows a bunch about social media”

    Which one is true?

    Probably both.

    But thanks for being transparent and just callin’ it like you see it – authenticity goes a long way. If K-mart or Sears want to pay you to post, fine by me — I might even go buy some sheets if you keep it up.

  • http://www.ben-grossman.com Ben Grossman

    I had a great time with you at CES09, Chris! This is a great and important post and something I look for in people who are receiving recognition anywhere. People are people–and it makes a person infinitely better if he realizes that. No matter how successful one becomes in a certain community (be it professional or otherwise), it’s paramount that we maintain that perspective. As with all things, balance is key.

    For me, that means that soon after every presentation I give or award I win, I spend time with people who couldn’t care less about it (or at least don’t care as much about it as my proverbial choir). My best friend (an actress) doesn’t give a hoot if I just spoke at CES or if my last campaign idea made it to the top. She cares that I’m me – just a person – and we appreciate each other on that basis… no pedestal involved.

  • http://www.ben-grossman.com Ben Grossman

    I had a great time with you at CES09, Chris! This is a great and important post and something I look for in people who are receiving recognition anywhere. People are people–and it makes a person infinitely better if he realizes that. No matter how successful one becomes in a certain community (be it professional or otherwise), it’s paramount that we maintain that perspective. As with all things, balance is key.

    For me, that means that soon after every presentation I give or award I win, I spend time with people who couldn’t care less about it (or at least don’t care as much about it as my proverbial choir). My best friend (an actress) doesn’t give a hoot if I just spoke at CES or if my last campaign idea made it to the top. She cares that I’m me – just a person – and we appreciate each other on that basis… no pedestal involved.

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  • http://www.sonnygill.com Sonny Gill

    I was thankful enough to meet you at the MP Mixer in Arizona last year and I think I respected the way you treated people, more than anything. You hung out with a bunch of us the entire week (hot tub, ahem) and the humility you exuded was something else. You’re just a real, sincere person and I think we all see and appreciate that.

  • http://www.sonnygill.com Sonny Gill

    I was thankful enough to meet you at the MP Mixer in Arizona last year and I think I respected the way you treated people, more than anything. You hung out with a bunch of us the entire week (hot tub, ahem) and the humility you exuded was something else. You’re just a real, sincere person and I think we all see and appreciate that.

  • Tony

    Fantastically simple advise. I think a lot of us let our admiration of people and the work they do get in the way of the people part. It’s nice to hear that the “famous” (internet or otherwise) think about it too. Until I get a chance to run into you IRL I’m very happy to be reading your blog and interacting via Twitter, keep it up :-)

  • Tony

    Fantastically simple advise. I think a lot of us let our admiration of people and the work they do get in the way of the people part. It’s nice to hear that the “famous” (internet or otherwise) think about it too. Until I get a chance to run into you IRL I’m very happy to be reading your blog and interacting via Twitter, keep it up :-)

  • http://www.socialmediablogster.com Doug Firebaugh

    Mature and sage advice Chris- Bravo! Wish more people had your wisdom instead of their ego. In the end-people are people and we all are same- I had a hugely successful person one time tell me the greatest wealth asset is humility- amen!

  • http://www.socialmediablogster.com Doug Firebaugh

    Mature and sage advice Chris- Bravo! Wish more people had your wisdom instead of their ego. In the end-people are people and we all are same- I had a hugely successful person one time tell me the greatest wealth asset is humility- amen!

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