Cafe-Shaped Conversations

cafe conversations The thing with all this talk about social media and how it changes marketing is that I don’t think you’re going to like it. I don’t think the end state is what most companies are thinking about. Google doesn’t buy other companies because they seem neato. Pepsi doesn’t want to talk with a few hundred people at a time, do they? It’s just that all these businesses have built huge platforms, huge sales funnels, huge marketplaces, and I think what social software is setting us up for are cafe-shaped conversations.

My Vision of Paris

I only know Paris through the words of others, but here’s what I see: little coffee shops with no more than ten tables. I see little bags of groceries, you know those types in movies, with the baguette sticking out? (Always with the baguette). Everything there is neighborhood-sized. People walk or at the worst ride a bicycle. The mod use scooters. But they don’t span the whole city. They stick to their bank, their tribe, their cafe and their cheese shops of reference.

In this world, no one cares what large companies are doing. They buy what they like. They talk about what they like. They consume what their friends and neighbors consume. It’s nothing if it’s not something they need.


My Vision of Springfield

In every city USA (and this isn’t a bash on USA, but I’m talking about consumers), we are in a weird crux. We care about what car to buy next. We roam the grocery store aisles wondering what’s an interesting new snack to put in our kids’ meals. We are thinking about the holidays, the movies, the whatever else needs buying. Even in a credit crisis, we’re thinking about how we can spend more, and our government wants us to spend more, too.

Big Business Needs Mass Communication

Why should Best Buy try to reach the one when they do much more business trying to reach the one million? Who at The Home Depot is thinking that talking back and forth with folks on Twitter is important? One person at a time isn’t who buys things on a radar-shaking level.

Last summer, I met the CTO of Thomson/Reuters at a private event where I spoke. He was a smart man with a lot of responsibility. He didn’t even look at projects under $5 Million, meaning his employees handled those “little” projects. I asked him what he was worried about on any given day. His answer: nanoseconds. He was thinking about the speed of the world’s financial data.

This is not a man who needs to care if there’s a friending feature that would appeal to his typical customers.

So why?

Cafe-Shaped Conversations

I think we’re moving towards something and I don’t think it’s going to be an easy shift. I don’t think social media just plugs into the marketing mix, though sometimes others prove me wrong. Alan Scott, CMO for the Dow Jones shared his 2008 marketing spend and there wasn’t a dollar allocated to social media. Instead, he used social media as just another card in the marketing deck. He doesn’t treat it poorly. He just doesn’t call it out as anything really different.

For the rest of the world, I believe that there will be some issues with how social media delivers. I think some companies will want big conversations, mass messaging, when what we’re offering are cafe conversations. We’re offering the intimate, the personal, the chance to talk in numbers of dozens and hundreds, and to make the appropriate kind of impact.


So Why Am I At The Cafe?

Because I think that’s what’s selling. I think we’re buying that way. I think that telling you about my experience with Jameson and Bank of America will be the new influence. I think that full page ad in your local newspaper is nowhere near as impactful as what I hear about on Frugalous.

I think the cafe is where the action is. I think that your $15,000 an hour film crew can’t beat my Flip Mino and a personal touch.

Should Big Businesses Play?

Yes, if they are ready, I say that big businesses should play. But, take a look at Mitch Joel‘s thoughts on whether or not your company might be ready. If you can’t answer that list, then maybe you’re not ready for the cafe.

Dell has brilliantly executed Digital Nomads as a content marketing platform around a specific product niche. It works because we’re here and they’re talking to us in our language. Will other companies have it so easy? Scott Monty at Ford is trying hard to help them move the Ford Flex into our hearts via his social media efforts. Will it work?

The cafe-shaped conversations that we are finding through social media are more meaningful, more impactful, and have a chance to spread and overtake other mass methods. And yet, they need tending. It’s like watching a small cafe pour an espresso versus getting a cup of joe at the local McDonalds. Completely different value propositions from the start.

Are there places for both? Sure. Should we throw out everything mass and switch to everything cafe? No.

So in the end, the question is more this: where should we employ cafe-shaped conversations (social media) and what should the desired results be? I have some thoughts. What are yours?

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  • http://websuccessdiva.com Maria Reyes-McDavis

    Excellent post and such insight into the nature of what’s happening online ;-)

  • http://websuccessdiva.com/beyond-social-networking-to-profitable-community-empire/ WebSuccessDiva Social Media

    Excellent post and such insight into the nature of what’s happening online ;-)

  • http://www.beautydialogues.com Amy Lenzo

    Another brilliant post, Chris. Thanks!

    As Community Tech Steward of the World Café, I know that conversation about things that matter is not only good marketing strategy, but one of the keys to human survival. It is conversation (on a number of levels) that will in large part carry us through the formidable global challenges that stand before us now. And online communication tools like the ones you’ve mentioned will no doubt make a contribution.

    How exciting it will be to have a President who really understands the power of the individual voice … I can’t wait to see how Obama’s presidency will effect participatory citizenship and this whole area of online interaction as a cultural meme that goes beyond digital natives and “geeky types” like us.

    But back to business, what we’re calling Café Conversations (small intimate interactions that can connect with and feed into larger collective awareness) are important to large and small companies for reasons that go beyond product sales and marketing.

    Conversation is now becoming recognized as a core business competency and World Cafés are hosted in corporations just as often as they are with health and educational institutions, government, neighborhood groups, and anywhere else that conversation can increase communication, address challenges or help build a sense of community. It’s only a matter of time until more and more of these conversations are happening online.

    You’ve probably noticed that more and more conferences are moving to an interactive model, based on Cafe Conversations. Increasingly, conference organizers are realizing that attendees are tired of “talking heads”. There is so much more to be gained by an approach that calls on the collective intelligence gathered in the room, and engages in a conversation between the “experts” and those in the audience (who are often equally as knowledgeable).

    So what I’m saying is that there’s an analogy here that expands the power of conversation and online communications out beyond marketing and product sales, and it’s still just in the beginning stages. I look forward to hearing more from you on where you think this is all going.

    Amy

  • http://www.beautydialogues.com Amy Lenzo

    Another brilliant post, Chris. Thanks!

    As Community Tech Steward of the World Café, I know that conversation about things that matter is not only good marketing strategy, but one of the keys to human survival. It is conversation (on a number of levels) that will in large part carry us through the formidable global challenges that stand before us now. And online communication tools like the ones you’ve mentioned will no doubt make a contribution.

    How exciting it will be to have a President who really understands the power of the individual voice … I can’t wait to see how Obama’s presidency will effect participatory citizenship and this whole area of online interaction as a cultural meme that goes beyond digital natives and “geeky types” like us.

    But back to business, what we’re calling Café Conversations (small intimate interactions that can connect with and feed into larger collective awareness) are important to large and small companies for reasons that go beyond product sales and marketing.

    Conversation is now becoming recognized as a core business competency and World Cafés are hosted in corporations just as often as they are with health and educational institutions, government, neighborhood groups, and anywhere else that conversation can increase communication, address challenges or help build a sense of community. It’s only a matter of time until more and more of these conversations are happening online.

    You’ve probably noticed that more and more conferences are moving to an interactive model, based on Cafe Conversations. Increasingly, conference organizers are realizing that attendees are tired of “talking heads”. There is so much more to be gained by an approach that calls on the collective intelligence gathered in the room, and engages in a conversation between the “experts” and those in the audience (who are often equally as knowledgeable).

    So what I’m saying is that there’s an analogy here that expands the power of conversation and online communications out beyond marketing and product sales, and it’s still just in the beginning stages. I look forward to hearing more from you on where you think this is all going.

    Amy

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  • http://www.TwitterBreak.com Nick Hetcher

    Excellent view point, Chris. I absolutely think there is, and always will be a place for both styles of “marketing,” and that the big corps will slowly conform and start spending more and more money on social media. in the not too distant future, I envision them hiring teams of people to “work” the social cafe’s.

  • http://www.TwitterBreak.com Nick Hetcher

    Excellent view point, Chris. I absolutely think there is, and always will be a place for both styles of “marketing,” and that the big corps will slowly conform and start spending more and more money on social media. in the not too distant future, I envision them hiring teams of people to “work” the social cafe’s.

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  • http://www.SmallBusinessOnlineCoach.com Matthew Hunt

    Chris,

    I agree with you all the way on this one. I think it’s really exciting. It is leveling off the playing field (for those that get this), especially for small business owners and artists. They are starting to be able to complete with these giant corp’s simply because (as you said) ” I think that your $15,000 an hour film crew can’t beat my Flip Mino and a personal touch.” It doesn’t matter how big your budget is anymore, everyone is starting to have equal opportunity to reach their niche communities. So if you are not getting involved in “Cafe-Shaped Conversations”… why not?!

    Chris, thanks being so great at explaining social media in simple terms that people can easily understand.

  • http://www.twitter.com/matthewsboc Matthew Hunt

    Chris,

    I agree with you all the way on this one. I think it’s really exciting. It is leveling off the playing field (for those that get this), especially for small business owners and artists. They are starting to be able to complete with these giant corp’s simply because (as you said) ” I think that your $15,000 an hour film crew can’t beat my Flip Mino and a personal touch.” It doesn’t matter how big your budget is anymore, everyone is starting to have equal opportunity to reach their niche communities. So if you are not getting involved in “Cafe-Shaped Conversations”… why not?!

    Chris, thanks being so great at explaining social media in simple terms that people can easily understand.

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  • http://mhtimber.com Jeff Klaubert

    This is a very interesting post and it appears to approach the topic from a corporate marcom perspective, which is certainly a logic perspective but only one of several aspects.

    I’m new to social networking and looking for ways to incorporate it into channel sales operations. The analogy of cafe-shaped conversation, addressing relatively small numbers with real conversation, seems a good fit.

    Social media may be able to provide a channel for customer / purpose specific 1:1 communication that is not possible through conventional marcom activities or channel sales communication strategies.

  • http://mhtimber.com Jeff Klaubert

    This is a very interesting post and it appears to approach the topic from a corporate marcom perspective, which is certainly a logic perspective but only one of several aspects.

    I’m new to social networking and looking for ways to incorporate it into channel sales operations. The analogy of cafe-shaped conversation, addressing relatively small numbers with real conversation, seems a good fit.

    Social media may be able to provide a channel for customer / purpose specific 1:1 communication that is not possible through conventional marcom activities or channel sales communication strategies.

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  • http://zanetayloranderson.blogspot.com/ Taylor Anderson

    This is a very clear and concise post. I truly enjoyed it and gathered inspiration from it. Let me ask you this. Is there a place for social media in the Church realm? Can it be used effectively and is it worth my time and effort to make it a reality for our church? I work their and truly believe it can be, but you know I have my doubts sometimes. Your thoughts?

  • http://zanetayloranderson.blogspot.com/ Taylor Anderson

    This is a very clear and concise post. I truly enjoyed it and gathered inspiration from it. Let me ask you this. Is there a place for social media in the Church realm? Can it be used effectively and is it worth my time and effort to make it a reality for our church? I work their and truly believe it can be, but you know I have my doubts sometimes. Your thoughts?

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  • http://twitter.com/twusiness Jason Finch

    Social media is not only about marketing, it’s not just another ink well in the marketing mix. Social media and Web 2.0 is nothing new: it’s what marketers have labelled what internet geeks have been doing for, dare I say it, 2.0 decades.

    In the mid-90s I despaired as Boards of Directors of brand names looked at the web as a marketing tool, or an IT tool, but never both and definitely never something that spanned their whole business.

    Social media is about communication, and the web has been bringing people together away from the internet for at least 15 years: I can remember my own online social networks organising events in London for 500+ people way back in 1998 and attending other events organised through online web forums as far back as 1993. Why is it suddenly something new? Because marketers have just discovered it and marketers are driving much of the public discussion about it.

    You’re TOTALLY right, Chris, social media is not about big business – it’s local and it’s small, it’s about bringing people together and big business does not work like that. Big business *cannot* benefit from true social media because the model is wrong, utterly wrong. Social media is about cafe-shaped businesses, as you say, about local communications… I think we’ll see a rise of the independent stores, the small retailers, the local businesses because communication is going that way, social media are pushing it that way, but really it’s about business and human communication… for sure, marketing is about communication too, but the change is far more fundamental than simply a marketing department issue.

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