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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting ideas. But more to the point: I think that, as much as anything else, the &quot;social media&quot; programming language (and programming language in general) is moving closer to our language.

What I mean by that is that with each iteration of a new programming language - the language itself, while it does become slightly more complicated, tends to move closer to a human language.

So, for example, binary leads to assembly leads to fortran leads to lisp etc, etc.

The &quot;social media&quot; language (# signs that represent tags in twitter, the @ sign, etc) are closer to human language than &quot;00011100&quot;.

Maybe I&#039;m fooling myself but I like to think that the future of computers - their place in our social world - is an invisible one, where there are no learning boundaries for people.  There are no walls to keep people out.

I think, while we certainly are making up the language as we go, that the language is moving closer and closer to being our spoken language; and therefore an open door to anyone that may want to contribute.

In the short term you&#039;re absolutely correct: an understanding of the social network language makes us stronger and more capable of living in this new world; but in the long term, I hate the idea of boundaries.

I would hope that we will advance to a point beyond specific &quot;computer languages,&quot; where the tools that we have surrounded ourselves with understand what we want and help us to achieve our goals and most importantly understand our language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting ideas. But more to the point: I think that, as much as anything else, the &#8220;social media&#8221; programming language (and programming language in general) is moving closer to our language.</p>
<p>What I mean by that is that with each iteration of a new programming language &#8211; the language itself, while it does become slightly more complicated, tends to move closer to a human language.</p>
<p>So, for example, binary leads to assembly leads to fortran leads to lisp etc, etc.</p>
<p>The &#8220;social media&#8221; language (# signs that represent tags in twitter, the @ sign, etc) are closer to human language than &#8220;00011100&#8243;.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m fooling myself but I like to think that the future of computers &#8211; their place in our social world &#8211; is an invisible one, where there are no learning boundaries for people.  There are no walls to keep people out.</p>
<p>I think, while we certainly are making up the language as we go, that the language is moving closer and closer to being our spoken language; and therefore an open door to anyone that may want to contribute.</p>
<p>In the short term you&#8217;re absolutely correct: an understanding of the social network language makes us stronger and more capable of living in this new world; but in the long term, I hate the idea of boundaries.</p>
<p>I would hope that we will advance to a point beyond specific &#8220;computer languages,&#8221; where the tools that we have surrounded ourselves with understand what we want and help us to achieve our goals and most importantly understand our language.</p>
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		<title>By: LaurenMarie - Creative Curio</title>
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		<dc:creator>LaurenMarie - Creative Curio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 23:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, you make what could be presented in a boring, matter-of-fact way so facinating and exciting! I like learning from people like you; you&#039;ve really found your passion here. It will be interesting to see how things shape up in the next year in terms of social media.

I like what Dr Mani shared about the predictions: &quot;the &#039;Web&#039; seem an outdated idea, like &#039;multimedia.&#039;&quot; That really struck something with me, although it &lt;em&gt;does&lt;/em&gt; make me slightly worried about the role of professional designers in the future :\</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, you make what could be presented in a boring, matter-of-fact way so facinating and exciting! I like learning from people like you; you&#8217;ve really found your passion here. It will be interesting to see how things shape up in the next year in terms of social media.</p>
<p>I like what Dr Mani shared about the predictions: &#8220;the &#8216;Web&#8217; seem an outdated idea, like &#8216;multimedia.&#8217;&#8221; That really struck something with me, although it <em>does</em> make me slightly worried about the role of professional designers in the future :\</p>
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		<title>By: Oscar Antonio Moralí Torres</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oscar Antonio Moralí Torres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. The machine is us...definitely</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. The machine is us&#8230;definitely</p>
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		<title>By: chrisbrogan</title>
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		<dc:creator>chrisbrogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael- You&#039;re saying that the way people interact with information and these systems isn&#039;t news and isn&#039;t forward? What have you written code for over the last several months, if not to support a similar premise? You&#039;ve built software that people use to extend the conversation. What if the systems and how we use them are now so abstracted from &quot;computing&quot; such that we derive value without having to know as much as we did before? 

That&#039;s the rough premise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael- You&#8217;re saying that the way people interact with information and these systems isn&#8217;t news and isn&#8217;t forward? What have you written code for over the last several months, if not to support a similar premise? You&#8217;ve built software that people use to extend the conversation. What if the systems and how we use them are now so abstracted from &#8220;computing&#8221; such that we derive value without having to know as much as we did before? </p>
<p>That&#8217;s the rough premise.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope - nothing to see here.

I&#039;m sure that they were saying the same thing when the Dewey Decimal System was introduced and people started using it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope &#8211; nothing to see here.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that they were saying the same thing when the Dewey Decimal System was introduced and people started using it.</p>
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		<title>By: Paisano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paisano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. Just look at what we&#039;re doing with mashups alone on popfly, pipes and dapper.
We&#039;re building the apps and languages of tomorrow today. Every new programming language is a derivative of another existing langauge. It is just the natural evolution of technology to change and mutate into new forms that (hopefully) take us to the next level. 

This is why I am excited about OpenSocial whereas many are skeptical of Google&#039;s intentions. I think it&#039;s a good thing to have an open standard platform for development on the web. It will only help innovation and development time. 

Pai</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. Just look at what we&#8217;re doing with mashups alone on popfly, pipes and dapper.<br />
We&#8217;re building the apps and languages of tomorrow today. Every new programming language is a derivative of another existing langauge. It is just the natural evolution of technology to change and mutate into new forms that (hopefully) take us to the next level. </p>
<p>This is why I am excited about OpenSocial whereas many are skeptical of Google&#8217;s intentions. I think it&#8217;s a good thing to have an open standard platform for development on the web. It will only help innovation and development time. </p>
<p>Pai</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Razzell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke Razzell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris- My point (clumsily made, for which apologies) is that the programming metaphor only goes so far in encapsulating our activity on the social web, because we are (hopefully) not just using the social web as a &quot;machine&quot; to achieve a particular, pre-planned outcome that we desire (a blog in the Technorati Top 100, a new consultancy contract etc.), but rather are embedded in a complex and quite mysterious world of cybernetically-extended human relationship.

It&#039;s only when we give up &quot;knowing&quot; where we are going or need to go that we open ourselves up to truth, surely? And your positivistic programming metaphor doesn&#039;t seem to me to foster this kind of Zen Mind state.

All that said, the social web *is* at a stage right now where we do need &quot;programming&quot; skills just to use the damn thing, motivations not-withstanding. So from that point of view, absolutely I agree with the utility of your metaphor.

Let&#039;s just not forget the larger goal—of facilitating the evolution of the web such that it comes to be transparent to our time and space-shifted *human* communication. : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris- My point (clumsily made, for which apologies) is that the programming metaphor only goes so far in encapsulating our activity on the social web, because we are (hopefully) not just using the social web as a &#8220;machine&#8221; to achieve a particular, pre-planned outcome that we desire (a blog in the Technorati Top 100, a new consultancy contract etc.), but rather are embedded in a complex and quite mysterious world of cybernetically-extended human relationship.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s only when we give up &#8220;knowing&#8221; where we are going or need to go that we open ourselves up to truth, surely? And your positivistic programming metaphor doesn&#8217;t seem to me to foster this kind of Zen Mind state.</p>
<p>All that said, the social web *is* at a stage right now where we do need &#8220;programming&#8221; skills just to use the damn thing, motivations not-withstanding. So from that point of view, absolutely I agree with the utility of your metaphor.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just not forget the larger goal—of facilitating the evolution of the web such that it comes to be transparent to our time and space-shifted *human* communication. : )</p>
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		<dc:creator>&#160; Programming for the Masses- Social Computing&#160;by&#160;cancer.MEDtrials.info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chris Brogan...</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Brogan...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Luke- in my example, humans were the programmers, not the database. Brainwashing is not synonymous to programming. Programming is synonymous with making a recipe. Do you feel brainwashed when you make cookies? 

The point is that we have tools we can use in varied ways. YouTube is an expression system. What if you used YouTube to embed a series of 6 disparate videos to tell a story *you* want to tell. That&#039;s a program. 

@Whitney- with learning everything, we must learn in the best possible human means and methods, just as we learn other skills. Thank *.deity you&#039;re in the game. You get the methods of education *and* the subject matter. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Luke- in my example, humans were the programmers, not the database. Brainwashing is not synonymous to programming. Programming is synonymous with making a recipe. Do you feel brainwashed when you make cookies? </p>
<p>The point is that we have tools we can use in varied ways. YouTube is an expression system. What if you used YouTube to embed a series of 6 disparate videos to tell a story *you* want to tell. That&#8217;s a program. </p>
<p>@Whitney- with learning everything, we must learn in the best possible human means and methods, just as we learn other skills. Thank *.deity you&#8217;re in the game. You get the methods of education *and* the subject matter. :)</p>
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		<title>By: vicequeenmaria</title>
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		<dc:creator>vicequeenmaria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Communicating electronically is just one manifestation of the energy humans and all living things share anyway.  I agree, it is a new and much needed phase for humanity, because it has the potential to make it easier to pave paths for understanding.

People talk about the &quot;computer&quot; but the truth is, one&#039;s body is already an organic machine that works with nodes, messages, etc;  And so does every social organism on the planet.

It&#039;s a beautiful thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Communicating electronically is just one manifestation of the energy humans and all living things share anyway.  I agree, it is a new and much needed phase for humanity, because it has the potential to make it easier to pave paths for understanding.</p>
<p>People talk about the &#8220;computer&#8221; but the truth is, one&#8217;s body is already an organic machine that works with nodes, messages, etc;  And so does every social organism on the planet.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a beautiful thing.</p>
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