You Are In Sales

Hank Wasiak and Terry Starbucker

There’s what you do to sell, and there’s everything else. There’s your main business and there’s everything else. If you’re not bucketing your time and your chores and your day’s plans accordingly, how do you think the results will turn out?

I lead with sales because I’m convinced that everyone in every organization is now part of the sales force. I also think you’re part of customer service, but there are no customers without sales. Sales comes first. No matter if you’re the bagger at the grocery store to the CFO, your job is sales and then customer service, and if you don’t think it is, your company’s health is probably just as questionable as the rest of the businesses out there.

You Are In Sales

Put sales into every day. Put customer service into every day. Do something to touch both buckets every day. You might also have to do promotion. You might also have to do the grinding chores that make up the rest of the role you play, but your role is sales.

What are you selling? Who knows? Jon sells religion (though I’m sure he’d prefer I not call it sales). Margie sells social media musings. We all sell ideas, at the very least.

When I say it, I tend to mean sales sales, but that’s up to you.

You are in Customer Service

Peter Shankman and Marsha Collier both wrote good books on the new customer service. Read these and think in the ways they talk about it. Customer service is now as important to marketers and operations engineers as it is to the people who answer the phones. And the social phone is ringing. Are you there to answer it?

Think Sales

Sales people don’t push a product; they listen for people’s needs. The really good sales professionals I’ve met sell other people’s products just as readily as they sell the one they’re paid to sell. Get in that habit, the habit of being helpful. Find people’s needs as a matter of fact. Find them even when you’re not really on duty. Listen to people. Listen to what they’re really saying versus what is coming out of their lips. This will pay you forever.

Think Customer Service

The #1 trait of excellent customer service is empathy married to action. Sometimes, empathy is all you can deliver. I’m sitting in an airport writing this at 5AM because our plane was rerouted due to an emergency onboard. It’s no one’s fault. But none of the passengers really want to be here. Everyone has dealt with us with empathy first and foremost, and that’s what matters. They’ve spoken from our side of the fence. They’ve been personal with all their interactions.

Empathy plus action is what makes great customer service. You can practice this as often as possible, too. You can do it at home. Get on the other person’s side of the table as often as possible. Look for potential ways to help. And remember, listening and making someone feel heard is every bit as important an action as any other (note to men: we tend to leap to action instead of helping a woman feel heard – that’s from studies I’ve read and John Gray’s work).

And You?

How are you selling? What works? What feels uncomfortable? When I say you’re in sales, are you feeling it? Or are you still reluctant to accept that?

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  • http://www.ppcsoft.com/blog Atle Iversen

    Ouch…this hurts a little :-)

    You’re right – Sales is extremely important. And so is Customer Service.

    But so is Design (ask Apple). And Research (ask Google). And Product Development (ask Microsoft). And backend/infrastructure (ask Amazon). And…

    But I think I get your point – EVERYBODY in your organization can help with Sales and Customer Service any time they’re in contact with another person ? Being helpful to another person can indirectly lead to a sale *without* actively selling (I have experienced this many times myself).

    But yeah, selling….it can be hard, but as long as you genuinely want to help people with their needs, you’ll be fine.

    My company has just released an update of our product, so I’m in “advertise/sell mode” these days. I do feel that I’m a bit “aggressive” sometimes, but then I remind myself that I do this because I honestly believe a lot of people can benefit from our product ! And even if I won’t consider myself a *really good* sales professional (not even close !), I have no problem recommending our competitors Evernote and OneNote if I think they are a better fit for your needs.

    Am I feeling it (that I’m in Sales) ? Hmmm…I’m still a bit reluctant to accept that….now back to selling :-)

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      If you’re in design and you’re not helping sales, then the design won’t hit the buyers’ wants. If you’re in research and you’re not thinking of how to equip the salesperson with better products, then what are you doing? If you’re in product development, well, then you’re doing what design and research sharpen to a point, for the buyers.

      Make sense?

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      If you’re in design and you’re not helping sales, then the design won’t hit the buyers’ wants. If you’re in research and you’re not thinking of how to equip the salesperson with better products, then what are you doing? If you’re in product development, well, then you’re doing what design and research sharpen to a point, for the buyers.

      Make sense?

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      If you’re in design and you’re not helping sales, then the design won’t hit the buyers’ wants. If you’re in research and you’re not thinking of how to equip the salesperson with better products, then what are you doing? If you’re in product development, well, then you’re doing what design and research sharpen to a point, for the buyers.

      Make sense?

  • http://www.margieclayman.com Marjorie Clayman

    Thanks for the mention, Chris. I appreciate it!

  • http://www.retirepreneur.com Donna Kastner/Retirepreneur

    I’m speaking at a chamber luncheon today. Talk is from one of my workshops, “How to Have More and Better Sales Conversations.” There was some concern folks who weren’t in sales might tune out, so we changed the title. “How to Have More and Better Business Conversations.” Content remained the same.

    Business conversations are sales conversations. Thanks for another great post, Chris.

    • http://www.youintegrate.com Kneale Mann

      Well done! I did a three hour workshop a couple of weeks ago and forget my leprechaun and unicorn. Easy wins and quick wins are the legend of fairy tales. Conversations – very important to include that in your title and (of course) content. Good luck!

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      VERY interesting. Hiding the broccoli in the potatoes, I like to call that .

  • http://www.youintegrate.com Kneale Mann

    I think the main reason I used to hate “sales” was because I unconsciously was trying to “sell” to everyone and “convince” others I had value and brains and experience on the hopes they would hire me or know someone. I was telling clients and prospects that not even WalMart’s target customer is “everyone” yet I had the wide brush trying to paint everyone as a prospect. Couple that with comparing to others, self-doubt and all the other wasted activities that don’t help us and we know why most of us hate “sales”.

    I found myself saying “I’m not a social media guy” and “I’m not this/that” and a mentor’s voice suddenly crept into my mind – who was I trying to convince, me or them? If you can’t be you and find what drives you, sales will forever be a struggle.

    When you figure out what you want and why you want it, you will be clearer on how you want to sell it and whom you want to sell it.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      I quite understand that. I *still* have a lot of “I’m not ….” in me. Really do. I feel like Bones from Star Trek. “Damn it Jim, I’m a Doctor, not a Plumber.”

      Glad you’re in sales. : )

      • http://www.youintegrate.com Kneale Mann

        The biggest part of sales is the ask – and we so often forget that even when facing that exact opportunity.

  • http://pkmukherjee.blogspot.com/ Pijush Kanti Mukherjee

    To the point.Nothing moves in the organization unless you sell the products/services.

    As said by R.L.Stevenson everyone lives by selling something.

  • Nomadmarketer

    I disagree…I think every thing starts with Product, not sales. Sales is vital and an early step, sure, but you have to have a relevant product that helps customers and resonates with their world view.

    I also think this is the first time I have ever disagreed with you Chris, thanks for all the amazing insights!

    • http://twitter.com/RW3_RWelch Ray Welch

      I’d have to disagree with you. Have you seen the Snuggie? There have been MILLIONS of these things sold and you will have a tough time convincing me it is a “relevant” product that helps customers.

      I’ve been in sales long enough to get a little gray around the temples, so I’d like to think I’ve got some experience here. If your point were valid, and everything starts with a “product that helps customers and resonates with their world view”, then why has it taken so long for an electric car to be mass produced? The technology has been around for decades, but none of the Big 3 auto makers wanted to invest the necessary dollars at the time.

      No, having a good product to sell can make the sales process a LOT easier, but it all starts with sales.

    • http://twitter.com/RW3_RWelch Ray Welch

      I’d have to disagree with you. Have you seen the Snuggie? There have been MILLIONS of these things sold and you will have a tough time convincing me it is a “relevant” product that helps customers.

      I’ve been in sales long enough to get a little gray around the temples, so I’d like to think I’ve got some experience here. If your point were valid, and everything starts with a “product that helps customers and resonates with their world view”, then why has it taken so long for an electric car to be mass produced? The technology has been around for decades, but none of the Big 3 auto makers wanted to invest the necessary dollars at the time.

      No, having a good product to sell can make the sales process a LOT easier, but it all starts with sales.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      I think you disagree because you didn’t read the article. My point was that you have to be selling every day. I didn’t mention that you shouldn’t have a product.

      : )

  • Tim

    Great post Chris! It answered an important question I’ve been struggling with lately. Thanks!

  • http://twitter.com/NancyD68 Nancy Davis

    I was in my local hair salon getting my hair done when I mentioned that I found them on Facebook but was surprised they did not have a website. They told me they needed one, but had no idea to go about it.

    That is when I suggested contacting a friend of mine who is a web designer. Listening and being helpful are the two biggest things in sales. Even if they do not use him, i gave the contact info strictly to be helpful.

    At some point, that may come back to me, it may not. In either case, they remember that I was polite, helpful and not pushy. That attitude that if you are in sales you must “always be closing” is long over, thank goodness.

    We are always selling something.Every time we meet a new person we are selling ourselves whether we realize that or not.

  • http://www.careerealism.com CAREEREALISM

    I’d be curious to know if any readers here know of corporate cultures that think this way universally? I’d love to interview one on how they developed it within the core values.

    I see it with some of the smaller organizations, but what about bigger ones ie. 150 employees or more?

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      When I worked for Ma Bell back in the old days, they wanted us to be in sales at the customer service desks. I was working for the call center that handled repairs. “Help, my line is dead.” And they wanted me to say, “Wow, that stinks. Hey, when your line is fixed, wouldn’t it be even better if we added Caller ID to it?”

      So some big companies want that.

  • http://raulcolon.net Raul Colon

    I think the most important line that I agree with but have trouble putting it in practice at least locally is “Sales people don’t push a product; they listen for people’s needs” .

    I think I am listening for people’s needs not sure if I have identified them. My biggest issues is the follow up. I don’t like to push or have people get uncomfortable. So where I think I drop the ball is in the follow up.

    For some reason in my culture most people want a sales pitch before you even listen to their needs. I usually do a discovery meeting to learn the clients needs and my competitors have a proposal for them ready. On many occasions when I leave to create a customized proposal or offer they have already accepted what the other person pushed to them.

    How can I find that Balance of convincing without pushing?

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      Follow-up is really tricky. It’s my worst part, too. We’re the same on that, my friend, for partly the same reasons (the other is that I have too many things on my mind and I lose track).

      Now that’s interesting. Is that your culture meaning your nationality or do you mean your job space?

      As far as getting to proposals faster, I think that people get antsy if you do too much discovery and not enough “here’s the price.” I think they have bottom-line thinking in mind. One way to accelerate that is to think about whether you can do the price “rough” up front.

      “It’ll cost around $24,000. Let me explain what goes into that.”

      Then, you can do your discovery, but they’ll have the number in their head. From there, it’s a matter of explaining your way into the sale.

      What do you think?

      • http://raulcolon.net Raul Colon

        I refer to Cultural as in My Island encapsulated environment. Island thinking makes people for the most part think inside the water borders that surround us. Here if you don’t have the proposal before the discovery meeting you get put into a huge disadvantage. When I submit a proposal I want to make sure I give my clients the best price without having to make any changes later.

        I really think starting with a price point can give me an idea on how they feel and what action I can take to keep them. That is a really good idea which I have tried but have not done immediately.

        Thanks for replying my friend.
        .

        • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

          I can see that. That makes sense. (BTW, nice new avatar.) I wonder what you’ll say if you try the price point start. See if they respond positively. Don’t try it on HUGE deals, obviously. : ) Start with something you won’t cry at losing.

        • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

          I can see that. That makes sense. (BTW, nice new avatar.) I wonder what you’ll say if you try the price point start. See if they respond positively. Don’t try it on HUGE deals, obviously. : ) Start with something you won’t cry at losing.

          • http://raulcolon.net Raul Colon

            Believe me I am going to try the Price Point Start. I think it will be a good start and I have been crying (LOL) about the ones I did not take that approach because I lost them anyway. This will help me focus on understanding if the person has the budget and interest at that price point.

            The new avatar was taken by Amateur Photographer @lucymfel (Also my Girlfriend) I had to update it since I will be moderating a panel and possibly speaking at Hispanicize in LA Next week! I took the picture and your comment of me looking as a politician at IMS10 came to my mind.

          • http://raulcolon.net Raul Colon

            Believe me I am going to try the Price Point Start. I think it will be a good start and I have been crying (LOL) about the ones I did not take that approach because I lost them anyway. This will help me focus on understanding if the person has the budget and interest at that price point.

            The new avatar was taken by Amateur Photographer @lucymfel (Also my Girlfriend) I had to update it since I will be moderating a panel and possibly speaking at Hispanicize in LA Next week! I took the picture and your comment of me looking as a politician at IMS10 came to my mind.

          • http://raulcolon.net Raul Colon

            Believe me I am going to try the Price Point Start. I think it will be a good start and I have been crying (LOL) about the ones I did not take that approach because I lost them anyway. This will help me focus on understanding if the person has the budget and interest at that price point.

            The new avatar was taken by Amateur Photographer @lucymfel (Also my Girlfriend) I had to update it since I will be moderating a panel and possibly speaking at Hispanicize in LA Next week! I took the picture and your comment of me looking as a politician at IMS10 came to my mind.

  • http://www.avenue3re.com Lois Ardito

    In the business of helping folks buy and sell real estate “getting on the other person’s side of the table as often as possible” is key and essential. Whether you are working with the Buyer or the Seller the responsibility of the agent is to listen, empathize and implement. In many cases, salespeople forget whose side their on and work in their own best interest….they want the transaction done, they want the commission and they want to move on to the next sale and along the way they lose relationship with the client. Sounds to me your airline was cautious in keeping the balance between defending themselves and taking care of the unhappy customer.
    Love this post Chris, a good reminder. Going to pass it on.

    As always, my thanks, Lois

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      Oh, I agree. You LIVE the post above. Without sales and empathy, real estate is nothing.

  • Kradr2

    I would like to add patience and calm. Often before you can get into true “accurate” empathy, you need to get into a place of calm; where in the dust can settle, then in a way you create a mind map with the customer and then sort it out. If you don’t have calm, not only will this take for ever , you wont get the result you want.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      Well, that’s true. It takes a bit of thinking to find your way to the appropriate empathy.

      • Kradr2

        Interesting distinction here,

        in my line of work which relies heavily on perception, being still, present and mindful is critical up front. You need to get an accurate read of your client, yourself, your relationship, the situation, the space, so on, it’s a very holistic event. The better all these factors gel, the better the synergy a.k.a aesthetic experience…. It relies heavily on intuition and defused awareness.

  • Anonymous

    As an engineer for a defense subcontractor I didn’t really think of my job that way at all. Now that I am a business owner (with no employees yet!) I’m definitely in sales.

    I love the phrase “Empathy plus action” – I love that every customer that comes to me I have the power to help them and I do. Definitely empowering.

  • Anonymous

    As an engineer for a defense subcontractor I didn’t really think of my job that way at all. Now that I am a business owner (with no employees yet!) I’m definitely in sales.

    I love the phrase “Empathy plus action” – I love that every customer that comes to me I have the power to help them and I do. Definitely empowering.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      Excited to see what you do with that. : )

  • Guest

    my grip with this… why should i be the one who writes the work orders and does the actual work, while the sales team gets the commission?

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      That’s a really reasonable way to feel. Is there any reason you haven’t asked the bosses for a referral commission?

  • http://www.breakbumper.tv Ramon B. Nuez Jr.

    I generally do not think of myself as a sales person. I am not by trade but in essence we are always selling something — personally and professionally. I try to sell my wife on buying a new TV or sell my boss on getting a raise in pay. Now, these are different arguments but the same.

    I actually enjoying helping people but it’s a passive action. I rarely actively seek out people to help — perhaps I should and see what comes of it.

    Thanks — Chris.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      You’re selling information, though. It’s your job to make me believe in your work. That’s a sale, too. : )

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  • http://milasblog.typepad.com Mila Araujo

    Sales has long had the reputation of a dirty and unethical role. The reality is, like you say Chris, we are all in sales.

    I face this challenge often in my organization, where several years ago we had sales people and service people. As we have progressed with the needs of the business and with everything that is happening in society, we have made it clear that everyone must be selling. Although some behaviors have been enhanced, the core behaviors of the service representatives did not have to change, it was their perception of what they were doing that had to change. People had to realize and become confident that in fact, all along, they had been selling.

    Everyone is always selling: when you support a client in a service center, you are selling: selling your service and selling the product *again*… People are afraid of labels, the most skilled service reps – who are in fact true sales people, will never say “yeah, I do sales” they shy away from it, because “sales” has become like a bad word. In fact, in my coaching sessions, it is more common than not that my most “natural” sales people will make statements like “I don’t know how to sell” or “I am really bad at sales”. They think sales, then think used car salesman; or strings of “lines” and schmoozing meant to trick people into doing things they don’t want to.

    Why is this? Based on stereotypical characteristics of “salesmen” people have misunderstood the true meaning and state of being of sales.

    Your post is excellent, it represents the truth of what we live, and encourages others to realize if you have any success at all in this world, then you are most likely a natural salesman.

    Academic? You sell you ideas, Service – you sell your product, Intern? You are selling yourself.

    Embrace sales, and stop thinking of it as a bad word!

    The only time sales is bad is when you are forced to sell something you don’t believe in. Align your career with something you love and believe in, and you can bet you will be a true salesman …you won’t be forcing out lines to catch a client, you will be explaining the virtues of your product or service. Sell something you believe is good and it will be natural. Taking this approach, you will realize you are providing a service, helping your client. The fine line between sales and service is very blurred when you do things right.

    If you find the right thing, and are passionate about it, regardless of your title, you are in sales. Be proud of the fact that you know your business, that you have something to offer that will help someone, that you *know* what your clients need, and (bonus) you actually make money by doing something you love. That’s sales.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      Totally so, Mila. I’m excited to see your perspective. It’s hard to run a successful company when others think their job isn’t selling.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      Totally so, Mila. I’m excited to see your perspective. It’s hard to run a successful company when others think their job isn’t selling.

  • http://www.myadguy.com Ray Martin

    An important sell as an employee is the ability to demonstrate your value to your organization. Even if you aren’t in a sales role at the company you work for, every year someone has to justify your salary. If you aren’t promoting the value of what you do, who will? It’s more obvious when you’re self employed and you just have to sell your worth to a client, but regardless of your title at some point you have to self promote.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      So you’re selling your skills to the boss. I’m with you. : )

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      So you’re selling your skills to the boss. I’m with you. : )

  • http://www.jasonleister.com Jason Leister

    Great post Chris.

    I agree we are all in sales pretty much all the time.

    We’re either selling to others or we’re selling things to ourselves.

    Ideas, decisions, products, services.

    Some people get paid for those sales and some don’t.

    If you don’t feel confident enough about what you do or what you offer and the idea of “selling” makes you uncomfortable, then you have one of two problems:

    1. What you do or offer isn’t valuable enough and you know it.

    2. You have issues with your self worth and your fear of “what other people will think” is keeping you the small version of yourself instead of the big version. The big version is what the world needs right now.

    For most people, the challenges are probably a combination of those two items.

    But instead of dealing with those issues, we make up stories about how we don’t want to push anything on people. How we don’t want to come across as cheesy or like a used car salesman.

    Stories, stories, stories.

    I think the need for stories that keep us from doing something real is over.

    It’s time to understand that if we have something truly valuable to offer the world, then we owe it to them and to ourselves to drop the stories and get on with doing what needs to be done.

    • http://milasblog.typepad.com Mila Araujo

      “It’s time to understand that if we have something truly valuable to offer the world, then we owe it to them and to ourselves to drop the stories and get on with doing what needs to be done.” I love this. Right on. :)

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      Great thoughts here, Jason. Thanks for adding your perspective. Stories are definitely important. : )

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      Great thoughts here, Jason. Thanks for adding your perspective. Stories are definitely important. : )

  • http://www.jasonleister.com Jason Leister

    Great post Chris.

    I agree we are all in sales pretty much all the time.

    We’re either selling to others or we’re selling things to ourselves.

    Ideas, decisions, products, services.

    Some people get paid for those sales and some don’t.

    If you don’t feel confident enough about what you do or what you offer and the idea of “selling” makes you uncomfortable, then you have one of two problems:

    1. What you do or offer isn’t valuable enough and you know it.

    2. You have issues with your self worth and your fear of “what other people will think” is keeping you the small version of yourself instead of the big version. The big version is what the world needs right now.

    For most people, the challenges are probably a combination of those two items.

    But instead of dealing with those issues, we make up stories about how we don’t want to push anything on people. How we don’t want to come across as cheesy or like a used car salesman.

    Stories, stories, stories.

    I think the need for stories that keep us from doing something real is over.

    It’s time to understand that if we have something truly valuable to offer the world, then we owe it to them and to ourselves to drop the stories and get on with doing what needs to be done.

  • http://www.markmodesti.com Mmodesti

    Amen Brother!

    I’ve read recently that there are goals people and problem-solver people. Goals people dont like getting bogged down in problems and problem solvers arent excited about chasing goals. I’ve learned over time that I fall on the problem-solver side. I’m in sales, so I see my mission as being to help others solve their problems. It carries over into my personal life too. I get a lot of satisfaction out of this.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      Interesting. I’m a goal person, which is maybe why I have to work so hard to be a better seller.

  • Trainwithshane

    Thanks for this Chris! I’m still stumped when people don’t think they are the sales face of their brand or business? Selling today has so many layers. It starts with the trust and from there if the need and connection is there the sale will follow. Can’t RUSH the sale today, but inspiring it can accelerate the close!

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      Agreed for sure. Selling isn’t a straight line, nor is it a funnel.

  • Trainwithshane

    Thanks for this Chris! I’m still stumped when people don’t think they are the sales face of their brand or business? Selling today has so many layers. It starts with the trust and from there if the need and connection is there the sale will follow. Can’t RUSH the sale today, but inspiring it can accelerate the close!

  • http://twitter.com/RW3_RWelch Ray Welch

    Great follow-up to yesterday’s post.

    We have a saying around here, “Nothing happens until something gets sold, so go make something happen.”

    As an addition, I think “customer service” should be considered part of the sales process, and (in an organization) should fall under the sales department. Don’t think of the two as different departments. Your customer service reps should go thru sales training, and your sales people should be given customer service training.

    Want to see what happens when your customer service reps know how to sell? Book a trip at Disney then call their “guest relations”…you’ll be up-sold throughout the entire conversation, and (if you’re like me) your vacation budget will be blown before you hang up.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      Interesting. I didn’t conceive of them to go together, but you’re right, Ray. Thanks for that.

      I totally agree about linking service to sales. I think that’s a must. Few companies seem to do that from the outside.

  • http://twitter.com/PeterPaluska Peter Paluska

    Right, it’s true. We might as well accept it. “But did you sell anything today?” is, after all, the question that is behind everything else, along with, “Did you serve anyone today?”.

    Nice no BS post here, Chris.

    Peter

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      True that, Peter. I like those two questions.

  • http://ajleon.me ajleon

    Thanks for the reminder, Chris. :)

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      Thanks for swinging by, superstar.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      Thanks for swinging by, superstar.

  • http://socialthreat.com Davezilla

    Agree. My father-in-law has an interesting take on this. I complained to him once about our IT department and he (Disclosure: he works in IT) said, “If your IT department saw themselves in the business of advertising and not IT, they would be far more helpful. They would realize that when your computer breaks down, that IT is now the bottleneck preventing ads from getting out, rather than simply saying, ‘Get in line and we’ll fix it when we can.’ They would realize that everything they do is helping ads get produced, rather than simply fixing a broken computer.”

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      I think your f-i-l is pretty darned smart.

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      I think your f-i-l is pretty darned smart.

  • Tom

    Chris, good post. The field I’m in is populated by people who love the ethic of their specialty. They live for what they do. But one problem with that paradigm is it becomes all too easy to forget that without clients, we do not get to do what we so love to do. Clients/customers first, or we can’t take the next step.

  • Tom

    Chris, good post. The field I’m in is populated by people who love the ethic of their specialty. They live for what they do. But one problem with that paradigm is it becomes all too easy to forget that without clients, we do not get to do what we so love to do. Clients/customers first, or we can’t take the next step.

  • http://twitter.com/elliotross Elliot Ross

    So true – It reminds me of a quote by VC Rick Segal

    “I ask everybody in the company “What do you do” and am always surprised how the company’s success trajectory can usually be linked to to the granularity of the answer(s)”

    Not that you are in ‘accounting’ or ‘shipping’ – but how your role directly affects and impacts your customers –

    And as Mr. Segal states, when everybody thinks that way – you are golden

    Best Regards

  • http://twitter.com/SebastianKnowes Sebastian Knowes

    Chris,

    This post outlines the “golden rule” of business—making a profit. Doing what we love to do and being able to assist others in our respective industries is great, but without the financial component kept in mind throughout the process we can’t possibly do our job effectively.

    Thanks for the post,

    Sebastian

  • http://www.getting-unstuck.com/http://fearlessdating.wordpress.com/http://www.getting-unstuck.com/ riley Harrison

    If you believe that everyone is somewhat selfish and acts in their own best interest (and properly so – whenever I have a philanthropic moment and donate time or money, it’s because it makes me feel good) . So sales to me is convincing people to act in their perceived best interest. And as a salesmen I want to sell quality goods and services because that’s in my best interest and that would be defined as having an enjoyable way to make a living.
    Riley

  • http://www.getting-unstuck.com/http://fearlessdating.wordpress.com/http://www.getting-unstuck.com/ RILEY HARRISON

    If you believe that everyone is somewhat selfish and acts in their own best interest (and properly so – whenever I have a philanthropic moment and donate time or money, it’s because it makes me feel good) . So sales to me is convincing people to act in their perceived best interest. And as a salesmen I want to sell quality goods and services because that’s in my best interest and that would be defined as having an enjoyable way to make a living.
    Riley

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XSYW2CH4K77CES4EGLGUUN42ZQ PeterM

    So could one say that if you are a customer that needs something and no one can provide it, then you create it and become a salesperson in order to satisfy your need? In other words, after you have created a product and sold it to yourself, then you look for others that are needing the exact same thing and you then sell it to them.

  • Anonymous

    The Pres. of my former company used to say: “…if you’re not making it and you’re not selling it, you’re expendable.” I always knew he was WRONG; out customer service team always made me look like a rock-star, our graphics dept. ditto…

    But if I think like this post, no one at the company was expendable because we were all ‘selling,’ he was right. We were all selling.

  • http://twitter.com/ArveyColumbus Cheri Allbritton

    I love your comment that you should not only be selling just your product but selling the product of others as well. Amen! In this past year I have been actively matching up my customers with folks from my social media community who have a need for their services. Such a loyalty builder with my customers and a reputation builder as a Go To person with my SM community. Win – Win (as my boss likes to say)

  • http://twitter.com/iMeetTweet iMeet

    Great reminder, Chris. Knowing that all our actions and efforts contribute to the sales of a product we believe in keep us upbeat and on our toes. Love you comment regarding how great sales takes listening and helping. Couldn’t agree more.

  • http://twitter.com/susangiurleo susangiurleo

    “Empathy plus action…” Love.

    Make sure you know what you’re selling.

    As a health care provider who can’t prescribe medication, I sell *behavior change* daily. Its one of the hardest things to sell, hands down. Changing how you live every day isn’t so fun. You know, eating less, exercising more, turning off the screens, doing the homework, going to bed on time, talking about *gasp* feelings and resolving conflicts. Yeah, I’m real popular : ). (except that I am – because I do sell it – with empathy)

    I sell from my website, the voice mail message people hear when they first call, my assistant’s first contact to set up our first phone call, etc, etc. My bookkeeper is super good at selling the idea that they need to pay me on time : ). And at no point are are pushing, sleazy or “salesy.” We are good listeners, empathize, offer alternatives, point to possible results, allow for questions, and a promise that we’re here when they’re ready. If it’s not a good match, I refer to colleagues. No one leaves an experience from my practice without a tool to use, someone else to call or talk to. No one feels left hanging, unheard or abandoned. I consider that all selling behavior change.

    Once people actually get to my office, they are READY and HAPPY to pay me to help them do the stuff they actually don’t want to do (change). They’re sold before they walk in the door.

  • http://twitter.com/BrandiSchoch Brandi Schoch

    I really will go all out to give the best customer service even if I need to work an extra 20 minutes to get the information a client needs.

  • http://twitter.com/BrandiSchoch Brandi Schoch

    I really will go all out to give the best customer service even if I need to work an extra 20 minutes to get the information a client needs.

  • http://www.kherize5.com Suzanne Vara

    Uncomfortable – the hard pitch, the hard sale. It is filled with so little emotion that at the end you are most likely talking to yourself as when you are performing the hard sale, they have tuned you out.

    Most comfortable – is having a conversation with someone about their needs and how I can get them fulfilled. I was talking with someone yesterday and with a few minutes I had explained what K5 can help him with and gave him referrals for the items we could not. I could hear him becoming overwhelmed and so we placed the “to do” items into a list in order and that was the beginning of the closing of the sale. Now he has to work on the monies.

    We hear so many people saying how much they hate sales or how they are the worst salesperson. Sure there are some that are better than others. I like to think that they have mastered the skill of talking and relating to people. There is always practice for the rest of us.

  • http://www.kherize5.com Suzanne Vara

    Uncomfortable – the hard pitch, the hard sale. It is filled with so little emotion that at the end you are most likely talking to yourself as when you are performing the hard sale, they have tuned you out.

    Most comfortable – is having a conversation with someone about their needs and how I can get them fulfilled. I was talking with someone yesterday and with a few minutes I had explained what K5 can help him with and gave him referrals for the items we could not. I could hear him becoming overwhelmed and so we placed the “to do” items into a list in order and that was the beginning of the closing of the sale. Now he has to work on the monies.

    We hear so many people saying how much they hate sales or how they are the worst salesperson. Sure there are some that are better than others. I like to think that they have mastered the skill of talking and relating to people. There is always practice for the rest of us.

  • http://www.kherize5.com Suzanne Vara

    Uncomfortable – the hard pitch, the hard sale. It is filled with so little emotion that at the end you are most likely talking to yourself as when you are performing the hard sale, they have tuned you out.

    Most comfortable – is having a conversation with someone about their needs and how I can get them fulfilled. I was talking with someone yesterday and with a few minutes I had explained what K5 can help him with and gave him referrals for the items we could not. I could hear him becoming overwhelmed and so we placed the “to do” items into a list in order and that was the beginning of the closing of the sale. Now he has to work on the monies.

    We hear so many people saying how much they hate sales or how they are the worst salesperson. Sure there are some that are better than others. I like to think that they have mastered the skill of talking and relating to people. There is always practice for the rest of us.

  • http://www.bloglafayette.com Scott Whitley

    Simply put, for some of us who are “just writing a blog” sometimes we need to be reminded that even if we are not pushing a physical product, we are selling our ideas and stories. I know I need the reminder often in order to understand that my blog really is relevant and means something. Thanks for the reminder today Chris.

  • http://www.bloglafayette.com Scott Whitley

    Simply put, for some of us who are “just writing a blog” sometimes we need to be reminded that even if we are not pushing a physical product, we are selling our ideas and stories. I know I need the reminder often in order to understand that my blog really is relevant and means something. Thanks for the reminder today Chris.

  • http://www.bloglafayette.com Scott Whitley

    Simply put, for some of us who are “just writing a blog” sometimes we need to be reminded that even if we are not pushing a physical product, we are selling our ideas and stories. I know I need the reminder often in order to understand that my blog really is relevant and means something. Thanks for the reminder today Chris.

  • http://twitter.com/nickyjameson Nicky Jameson

    I’d like to present how I see it, if I may. We are always in the business of selling, true.
    The “problem” with “sales” and selling’ however is that not one of us likes to be sold to or feel we’ve been sold to. But we ALL love to buy.

    My take: before sales has to come marketing, marketing that not only builds awareness but also prepares and persuades the target market such that they buy without ever feeling they’ve been sold to because, in reality they haven’t – they WANT to buy. Because for them what they are buying fulfills either their need or want.

    Think Starbucks. Or Apple. Or “name your favourite brand you would queue up for.” Does Starbucks sell coffee? No, they create a total experience, a need even, in the minds of their target customers, such that said customer already happily forks out their money for their very expensive lattes before they ever step in the store. And Apple? They are almost text-book for extremely effective marketing that leads to eager buyers who will move heaven and earth to buy and enjoy that feeling of having bought the latest Apple product.

    Such marketing doesn’t come cheaply in the case of my examples. But they are not the only companies good at it, nor does it only apply to large companies. However it’s hard for sales to be a wonderful “buying experience” for the customer if there is ineffective, little or no marketing done beforehand.
    I think we must take the focus off selling andplace it more on solving and fulfilling needs and wants for the customer.

  • http://twitter.com/PatrickStrother PatrickStrother

    Correct. Nothing happens until somebody sells something.

  • http://twitter.com/MarshaCollier Marsha Collier

    Think in the long term. A sale isn’t always an immediate function. The relationships you cement every day build the trust that leads to a sale – and an ongoing customer.

    Thank you Chris, for the mention

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