When In Rome. Or Norway

Chris Brogan the Viking by Bryan Eisenberg My friend, Max, is an interesting character, a true creature of habit. He likes the same meal every day, if he can get his way. He prefers to wear the same clothes. He has very specific routes he will take to specific places. He watches the same TV shows.

Unless he’s traveling.

In those instances when he is abroad, Max will call his mother from the outback of Australia on a scratchy pay phone connection and say, “Ma, I’m eatin’ grubs!” (And yes, he means big giant protein-filled bugs.) This is a guy who eats hamburgers from Wendy’s almost every day. But overseas, he’ll eat anything they serve him (Max takes tours, so there’s always a “they” in charge of the experience), and he’ll be pleasant about it, even if he doesn’t like it.

Max also has the most amazing photo album of his journeys. He has this pose. It’s very big-eyed, with his mouth very wide open, in this kind of surprised, he-might-be-shouting expression of joy, with his arms outstretched very far as well. He looks like he’s won a very big sweepstakes. Max has this picture of himself all over the world: the Great Wall of China, the Taj Mahal, Russia, Madison Wisconsin. Everywhere. (Note: Max has never been to Madison. I made that up.)

When in Rome

The expression, “when in Rome,” means that one should consider doing what his or her surrounding neighbors are doing when in a different environment. It means, “to be one of us, act like up.” It’s easy advice to follow when visiting someplace abroad, like Norway.

I’m writing this from my room at the Radisson Blu in Oslo, Norway, on the last day of a trip that saw me spend a day in Iceland and a few days in Oslo. Some examples of my “when in Rome” attitude were that I learned that Norwegian people don’t like to make small talk in elevators, so I didn’t after the first 40 tries. I learned that Norwegians would rather hack their leg off with a Viking sword than take a compliment, so I tried hard not to compliment them after my first 106 efforts. Things like that.

I went to the Gulltaggen dinner (Gulltaggen is the biggest and best marketing event in Norway), which followed their awards show. Over 1000 people attend this dinner. I’ve never ever dined with 1000 people before. Fancy food, by the way. But then, after that, I went to the afterparty at the Oslo Spektrum (their arena). After that? I went to the after-after party at the little quasi-British pub around the corner that played live music until 2AM. After that? I went to the after-after-after party held at a startup’s offices, where others played shuffleboard and foosball and drank more until about 5AM.

After that, I couldn’t be in Rome any more, because I couldn’t keep my eyes open.

The Importance of Embedding

I learned a lot about Norwegians, Icelanders, and Swedes from hanging out until 5AM after the Gulltaggen’s official events had long come and gone. I learned that their stoic outward expressions of the day time are passed down from very humble roots and that inside, they’re every bit as passionate as folks from Argentina or Boston or Moscow. They just don’t express it as freely and outwardly throughout the day. Get them into a party situation, and they’re your best friends forever. You’ll have amazing conversations about dreams, about the future, about the fear of being an entrepreneur, etc.

I know more about the Scandinavian people (at least this group and this kind of people) than I ever would have, simply by attending part of the Gulltaggen event. As a speaker, I do try to stick around as much of an event as I can manage. I try to learn more, and then more about the people I’m with. Why? Because without that sense of embedding, without that connectedness, I’ll only be skimming the surface, and it’d be like knowing only about their avatar and their last five tweets.

Embed Yourself

You can learn about people online and use that for your business (and personal) needs as well. Follow people on various social networks for a while. Observe them. Practice your own “when in Rome” moments. And then learn how you might really serve their interests or their wants. The reward is much bigger.

And if you should find yourself considering a European vacation spot, I can recommend all of Scandinavia (and if Iceland doesn’t consider themselves part of it – I have no idea on this and am too lazy to google – consider there, too). The people will seem a bit reserved and private at first. But you can find your way in, if you want.

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    i dont travel a lot but i want so much) that is why i like articles like that one) thanks a lot for the information) very interesting to read it) thanks)

  • http://twitter.com/AstridVU Astrid Valen-Utvik

    Nice to know that we were all part of your social studies, Chris! And thanx for the mirror you put up in front of us, cause it’s a good thing to do once a while. We norwegians tend to be what you call shy, but what we consider as being polite, mindfull and not “taking to much attention to our selves”. But yeah, hang out with us at a party and we’ll open up! I love that you take the time out of your busy scheduel just to hang out with ‘the crowd’ – we’ve learned a thing our two about you too! And about americans and their barbeque… ;) Hope to see you again sometime, and I’ll be sure to invite you back here again when we have a proper Viking museum to show off!

    • http://chrisbrogan.com Chris Brogan

      Oh dear. Me and my barbecue. You’ve done a great job of representing what Norwegians are when you take a moment to look closer, Astrid. I’m glad I got to meet you.

      • http://twitter.com/AstridVU Astrid Valen-Utvik

        Phew, happy you added “…when you take a moment to look closer”, cause I thought for a while there you ment I was a good example of a norwegian having trouble making conversation in elevators and being lousy to take a compliment (acctually I am). But yeah, really glad I got to meet you to – let’s stay in touch :)

  • http://www.skalar.no Victor Sanchez Barrera

    Hi Chris thank you for a great speech yesterday and for being so awesome, on and off stage. I would say when in Rome do like the crazy irish, you rocked all day/night long. And by the way next time you will visit good museums go to Rome, Paris, Madrid, London….since you were not so happy with the minimalistic style of Oslo viking museum.

  • http://stevegarfield.com Steve Garfield

    Great post Chris.

  • http://www.youintegrate.com Kneale Mann

    This is human business. This is social networking. Thank-you for sharing, Chris.

  • http://twitter.com/juhotunkelo Juho Tunkelo

    Great article! And yes, I’d say all of the above pretty much applies to all of Scandinavia, with small differences. So… when are you coming over to Finland? :)

  • http://ajleon.me ajleon

    I know this lesson well, adventuring “when in Rome” is one of the great teaching tools the world has given us. :)

  • http://twitter.com/Rocknrealty Nanette Labastida

    it’s a shame you didn’t get to hit Finland for crayfish season and a sauna!

  • http://twitter.com/Rocknrealty Nanette Labastida

    it’s a shame you didn’t get to hit Finland for crayfish season and a sauna!

  • http://twitter.com/Rocknrealty Nanette Labastida

    it’s a shame you didn’t get to hit Finland for crayfish season and a sauna!

  • http://twitter.com/susangiurleo susangiurleo

    This is a lovely post…felt like I was there with you, in a way. Thanks for sharing a part of the people of Norway….

  • Anonymous

    I studied in both Oslo and Trondheim while in college. I love the people and the country. Your post brought back fond memories and yes…you nailed it. Thanks for this post.

  • http://twitter.com/phillyrealty Christopher Somers

    So true Chris ! I think it is so important to listen to who you are speaking to and know who you are speaking to, even more so it if is a group of folks. It really helps when building that relationship and building rapport.

  • http://raulcolon.net Raul Colon

    Ok with all the Partying I thought You had stopped in Puerto Rico and did not even say hi… LOL.

    In the two months I have been to two conferences and I realized how well I got to know people in the extracurricular activities out of the sessions. On the other side yesterday I went to have Lunch with someone I did not really understand. I had interacted with him at a client for a long time but never outside the office. I found how cool of a guy he is outside of his work environment.

    I think sometimes creating an informal environment can bring down all types of barriers such as corporate, cultural, national and the many more than exist with us when we all have something in common. We are human!

  • http://twitter.com/matsbs Mats Staugaard

    Awesome and true post!

    You pretty much describe us Scandinavians perfectly. We are quiet, but once we open up we’re a lot of fun! I’m glad you enjoyed the after-after-after party at our offices — it was an honor having you there! Take care.

  • http://twitter.com/matsbs Mats Staugaard

    Awesome and true post!

    You pretty much describe us Scandinavians perfectly. We are quiet, but once we open up we’re a lot of fun! I’m glad you enjoyed the after-after-after party at our offices — it was an honor having you there! Take care.

  • http://twitter.com/matsbs Mats Staugaard

    Awesome and true post!

    You pretty much describe us Scandinavians perfectly. We are quiet, but once we open up we’re a lot of fun! I’m glad you enjoyed the after-after-after party at our offices — it was an honor having you there! Take care.

  • http://socialthreat.com Davezilla

    If we didn’t embed, we never would have had those fresh lobsters in Chen Rio, Cozumel. Remember that?

  • http://twitter.com/gemmsupport geordie wardman

    Thanks Chris. I’ve been following your posts for a while now, and this one read especially well. I like the simple easy flow of writing. Great job, good luck, hope to meet you some time. Oh, and I would be happy to take a compliment from you in an elevator.

    Geordie
    @gemmsupport

  • http://twitter.com/gemmsupport geordie wardman

    Thanks Chris. I’ve been following your posts for a while now, and this one read especially well. I like the simple easy flow of writing. Great job, good luck, hope to meet you some time. Oh, and I would be happy to take a compliment from you in an elevator.

    Geordie
    @gemmsupport

  • http://TannerChristensen.com tannerc

    You make it seem so obvious Chris. In “Trust Agents” you mention the importance of “fitting in” and I believe that this is the same thing. It’s important, but also makes for great travels, right? :)

  • Robin Reid

    Chris, please encourage Max to visit Madison, WI. He would feel right at home with us, and he has many location options for the iconic photo.

    Your experience in Norway echoed my own six month sojourn in Sweden. It takes a while for the people to “let you in,” but once you are there, you are in all the way. I would go back any day and do business with them any time.

  • Kradr2

    Interesting … I’ve lived in more than one foreign country and have traveled extensively and you need to make a key distinction. When in Rome, “do not” try to be a Roman acting like a Roman, be a respectful, honest American respecting the Italian culture with curiosity . The first scenario, they can spell BS like anyone else and especial American BS. You stand out like a man wearing Mens Wear house suite in a gay bar in Miami. The second scenario is one of the best ways to ice Marias mom and get a crake at Maria without getting your A kicked.

  • http://www.ricardobueno.com Ricardo Bueno

    Re: “I learned that Norwegians would rather hack their leg off with a Viking sword than take a compliment, so I tried hard not to compliment them after my first 106 efforts.”

    You have a great way of complimenting people and introducing people to one another. I can only image this was very, very difficult for you.

    Re: Events and “embedding” yourself. I see so many people travel long distances to events only to spend time with the same people they already know and hang out with back home. Not that you shouldn’t, but you’re missing an opportunity to connect with new faces and learn new things.

    If you’re going out of your way (whether as an attendee or speaker), get to know new people. Don’t be shy. Unless you’re in a Norwegian elevator, people are pretty open to small talk :-)

  • http://www.suzemuse.com/ Susan Murphy

    You paint a beautiful picture of your time in Norway. What you say about embedding – that’s the very reason I spend so much time outside the classroom connecting with my students (whether they’re from my college classes or my corporate/business training classes).

    The more I get to know the people I’m teaching before, during and after the classes, the better I am at really understanding what makes them tick – their goals, dreams, fears, and senses of humour. For me, this connection is the most important thing – and is way bigger than any lecture or presentation I give. It’s the reason I teach.

    Thanks for once again providing context to the things I think about often.

    :)

  • James Lort

    The first scenario, they can spell BS like anyone else and especial American BS. You stand out like a man wearing Mens Wear house suite in a gay bar in Miami. I had interacted with him at a client for a long time but never outside the office. I found how cool of a guy he is outside of his work environment.

  • http://twitter.com/bwmarkle Brad Markle

    Seems like I’m the only one who wants to see Max’s photo collection? Is it online anywhere?

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    I went to the after-after-after party held at a startup’s offices, where others played shuffleboard and foosball and drank more until about 5AM.

  • Anonymous

    Great article! I’m Norwegian and you do indeed characterize us in the right way. We HATE smalltalk in elevators. We do everything we can to avoid it. And giving someone a compliment is one of the wierdest things you can do. Except when we’re drunk; we can talk all night and become your best friend :)

  • http://www.danieldecker.net Daniel Decker

    I’ve been thinking a lot about this (in a way) lately with some of the authors and speakers I work with. There are some who don’t have the type of relationships with clients that they should so their engagements become mostly one-off opportunities. As I evaluated it I started seeing a trend. The speakers who fly in, do the gig and leave immediately are mostly the ones who don’t develop the relationships. But those who spend a little extra time, who try to embed a little… they are the ones who are building something bigger. They have stronger relationships and are able to turn that one gig into much more down the road. Sad part if that that speakers who bolt right after the gig, in most cases it’s not because they don’t have the time… it’s because they are trying to front like it belittles their value to “hang out.”

  • http://www.danieldecker.net Daniel Decker

    I’ve been thinking a lot about this (in a way) lately with some of the authors and speakers I work with. There are some who don’t have the type of relationships with clients that they should so their engagements become mostly one-off opportunities. As I evaluated it I started seeing a trend. The speakers who fly in, do the gig and leave immediately are mostly the ones who don’t develop the relationships. But those who spend a little extra time, who try to embed a little… they are the ones who are building something bigger. They have stronger relationships and are able to turn that one gig into much more down the road. Sad part if that that speakers who bolt right after the gig, in most cases it’s not because they don’t have the time… it’s because they are trying to front like it belittles their value to “hang out.”

  • http://blog.beethomas.com Brian

    Embedding yourself with those of another culture is so important Chris. I have read stories of Christians visiting another country on short term missions trips and then lodging as one group away from those they are trying to help. This is very counter-productive. Sometimes youth groups make visits and the receiving church, or organization go out of their way to welcome the workers from the U.S., occasionally finding make shift work for them to do. Some missiologists have studied this phenomena and concluded that many short term missionaries do more harm than good.

    The worst thing many of these youth groups or Christian adult workers have done is not embed themselves with the locals. Many times it seems like its a “us” and “them” situation but as Jimmy Cliff once sang, “We all are one. We all the same people.”

    This is my favorite line from your post:

    “And then learn how you might really serve their interests or their wants. The reward is much bigger.” – Amen!!!!

  • Anonymous

    I think it’s so important to hear what you are saying and who you are speaking, even if it is a group of people. It really helps when building a relationship and rapport building.

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    It is very interesting to know about the people you met. And very excited to see the photo. Very nice post. I dreamed to stay with you.

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