Who is Secretly Pitching You

NewYorker2 Kare Anderson of Say it Better pointed out this piece of fiction to me from The New Yorker magazine. “Raj, Bohemian” is about a guy getting the distinct feeling that everyone around him has fallen into an endless cycle of promoting things. It gets to be a little much when he realizes that some of the people in his circle do this for a living, as a way of spreading the word around about their clients’ products and services. Word of mouth marketing gone stealth. The Pay Per Post of the spoken word. It makes me wonder about our online communities and the notion of reputation.

The Internet is perfect for this kind of thing. We don’t even have to see our face to face friends. Our new social network “friends” can tell us plenty about products without telling us whether they’re being paid to talk about it. Should we be critical? Should we see advertisers under every stone?

Stealth Pitching and Communities

People are more wired than ever before. It’s real easy to find holes in information, simple to fact check a little bit. To that end, companies that are willing to risk their community’s trust by pitching in a stealthy way are taking chances with their brand. Every time we see a Walmarting Across America, that sticks with us. Sometimes, we change our behavior as consumers because of it. Other times, we don’t.

By the way, I’m sure these tactics work, so let’s not discount the fact that stealth pitching brings in cold hard cash for companies.

Apathy Nation

I should point out that apathy is in abundance on such matters, and has been since the end of the 1960s (at least in America). We learned how not to trust our government. We understood that companies were (are) in it for the money. And in lots of cases, we shrug and we don’t care. Not all of us, surely, but there are plenty of people who shrug off the things big companies do, and just accept them as the status quo.

Maybe you’re someone who fights against such moments. Me? Admittedly, I fall into the “apathetic” category from time to time. I shop at Wal-Mart sometimes, even though I know the negatives that go with it.

So, here we are with a lot of questions, and not many answers. We are awash in opportunities to be covertly influenced on our social networks of choice.

It Comes Back to Trust

I have a very healthy respect for staying true to this community. I never want you to wonder whether something I’m raving about is because someone paid me to say it. It’s just not on the table. When I feel there’s an external influence to something I’m saying (like if I talk about Utterz, I always try to mention that I’m on the advisory board), then I will do my very best to separate that from random ravings about something. The currency of my relationship with you is trust. You won’t bother reading what I have to say if you wonder about my ulterior motives.

Am I completely unbiased? No. Is anyone?

Reputation Engines

Mechanisms for trust need to find their way into social networks. Reputation systems, not unlike the ones created in eBay and LinkedIN and Amazon, would help add much needed context and history and transparency to the “me” that floats around on the web, on Twitter, on Facebook. Perhaps this is an opt-in situation, like logging in via OpenID, or maybe it’s just some kind of 3rd party validation system you can send someone to, should a conversation veer into waters where it’s necessary.

I’m not suggesting that privacy be surrendered. This isn’t something that requires people give up the option of having an anonymous persona on the web. Instead, I’m saying that for people who seek to represent themselves for who they are, a reputation engine might be one way to clear up some of the fears of blind, stealth pitching.

Doing an Honest Job

I think advertising and marketing and public relations can be done honestly, and that turning pitches into conversations isn’t inherently evil. I believe people DO want to understand products and services, and have a relationship with certain brands. My concern is with tactics, and especially with how people might use social networks and social media to forward an agenda without being explicit about their involvement.

I never want to discount the good work professional advertising, marketing, and PR people are doing with social networks.

Are You Secretly Being Pitched?

Some would argue that we’re ALL pitching something. When I use Twitter to share the link to this post, that’s a pitch. When I show you my nifty new ebook, that’s a pitch. But the question is more on the hidden motives, more than whether or not you’re being encouraged in one direction or another.

What’s your take? on all this?

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  • http://solyoung.com Sol Young

    Proving your post… I’m not sure I believe Guy Kawasaki is on Twitter for 16 hours per day. Just as Hillary, Barack, and John have their paid staffers twittering for them, I wonder at what point an entity with Guy’s following just has an intern pitch for him/her.

    Twitter, where we follow as friends, seems trustworthy, but everything really is a pitch. Same with every other social networking sites.

    We all have things we’re pushing. I’m admittedly guilty of pushing my employer, iofy.com and my own blog, solyoung.com (see! I can’t help it).

    What I often wonder is whether we’ll get in to a ratcheted down situation like Vernor Vinge’s book Rainbow’s End, where trust certificates are issued at the personal level. This seems likely since social networks are increasingly breeding pushing friends…

    How about an open standard on trustworthiness?

  • http://solyoung.com Sol Young

    Proving your post… I’m not sure I believe Guy Kawasaki is on Twitter for 16 hours per day. Just as Hillary, Barack, and John have their paid staffers twittering for them, I wonder at what point an entity with Guy’s following just has an intern pitch for him/her.

    Twitter, where we follow as friends, seems trustworthy, but everything really is a pitch. Same with every other social networking sites.

    We all have things we’re pushing. I’m admittedly guilty of pushing my employer, iofy.com and my own blog, solyoung.com (see! I can’t help it).

    What I often wonder is whether we’ll get in to a ratcheted down situation like Vernor Vinge’s book Rainbow’s End, where trust certificates are issued at the personal level. This seems likely since social networks are increasingly breeding pushing friends…

    How about an open standard on trustworthiness?

  • http://www.smallbusinesssem.com/ Matt McGee

    Chris, if I may drop a link, check out this TIME article from just about a year ago:

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1609809,00.html

    Proctor & Gamble has been paying regular people to spread good word-of-mouth about their products. I think it’s fascinating. And no, I’m not being paid to tell you about the TIME article. ;-)

  • http://www.smallbusinesssem.com/ Matt McGee

    Chris, if I may drop a link, check out this TIME article from just about a year ago:

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1609809,00.html

    Proctor & Gamble has been paying regular people to spread good word-of-mouth about their products. I think it’s fascinating. And no, I’m not being paid to tell you about the TIME article. ;-)

  • http://moneypowerwisdom.com/changing-dynamics-of-email-marketing/ Dr.Mani

    Chris, this recent blog post shares my perspective on this
    (or rather, my changing perspective)

    http://moneypowerwisdom.com/changing-dynamics-of-email-marketing/

    Thoughts?

    All success
    Dr.Mani

  • http://moneypowerwisdom.com/changing-dynamics-of-email-marketing/ Dr.Mani

    Chris, this recent blog post shares my perspective on this
    (or rather, my changing perspective)

    http://moneypowerwisdom.com/changing-dynamics-of-email-marketing/

    Thoughts?

    All success
    Dr.Mani

  • http://www.drewbeatty.com Drew Beatty

    In William Gibson’s “Pattern Recognition” there was a character who did this for a living. That came out in 2004, adn as I read it I thought to myself that it wouldn’t be too long before that started happening. As with many things, Gibson was right.

    And no, I don’t work for him.

  • http://www.drewbeatty.com Drew Beatty

    In William Gibson’s “Pattern Recognition” there was a character who did this for a living. That came out in 2004, adn as I read it I thought to myself that it wouldn’t be too long before that started happening. As with many things, Gibson was right.

    And no, I don’t work for him.

  • http://chrisbrogan.com chrisbrogan

    See the funny side effect of all this? We probably WILL get to a point that any time we rave about something, we disclaim. Odd, eh?

  • http://chrisbrogan.com chrisbrogan

    See the funny side effect of all this? We probably WILL get to a point that any time we rave about something, we disclaim. Odd, eh?

  • http://www.dazcox.com Daz Cox

    have you noticed how many ‘comments’ are really just detours to someone else’s work?

    Imagine if Matt had taken a few hours to research and write a piece on ‘alternatives to multi-national products’, perhaps he could make the case that cloth diapers and the related industry could reduce pollution http://www.borntolove.com/toxictea.html
    and create a “green” domestic job market.

    Wouldn’t it be great if we, the consumers, talked about how cool it is to buy local products and services rather than what the latest multi-national corp product is. Is being green as important as looking cool with the latest corporate product or you getting a few more dollars?

  • http://www.dazcox.com Daz Cox

    have you noticed how many ‘comments’ are really just detours to someone else’s work?

    Imagine if Matt had taken a few hours to research and write a piece on ‘alternatives to multi-national products’, perhaps he could make the case that cloth diapers and the related industry could reduce pollution http://www.borntolove.com/toxictea.html
    and create a “green” domestic job market.

    Wouldn’t it be great if we, the consumers, talked about how cool it is to buy local products and services rather than what the latest multi-national corp product is. Is being green as important as looking cool with the latest corporate product or you getting a few more dollars?

  • http://chrisbrogan.com chrisbrogan

    @Daz – interesting side road. Some of what I talked about with reputation actually applies to the local-vs-big/national conversation, because at some point, when cost isn’t exactly the deciding factor, we might start looking at the difference between Brand A’s social and environmental impact vs. Brand B. If you could buy soap for approximately the same price but the first soap was made locally, all natural, blah blah blah, and the second soap was churned out by a factory, if price and convenience were equal, wouldn’t it be the obvious choice to buy the local?

    But then, what if the local soap was made by someone with a reputation for a shoddy product? We’d have to learn to trust the local person just as much as we trust the big brand to be reliable (do we? I think we do).

    Interesting.

  • http://chrisbrogan.com chrisbrogan

    @Daz – interesting side road. Some of what I talked about with reputation actually applies to the local-vs-big/national conversation, because at some point, when cost isn’t exactly the deciding factor, we might start looking at the difference between Brand A’s social and environmental impact vs. Brand B. If you could buy soap for approximately the same price but the first soap was made locally, all natural, blah blah blah, and the second soap was churned out by a factory, if price and convenience were equal, wouldn’t it be the obvious choice to buy the local?

    But then, what if the local soap was made by someone with a reputation for a shoddy product? We’d have to learn to trust the local person just as much as we trust the big brand to be reliable (do we? I think we do).

    Interesting.

  • http://allquirknoplay.wordpress.com Nabilah Said

    Interesting post. I guess trust just has to be earned, and that takes time. It’s more than just a case of saying “Trust me”, it’s about all your other actions taken as a whole that inspires trust (In fact, someone who says “Trust me” should usually be viewed with suspicion).

    I wouldn’t say that pitching is bad per se, like you said, it’s a bit hard to avoid sometimes. But it’s not right if you’re using the relationship you have with someone solely to pitch something without him being made aware of it. That’s called taking advantage of people. And as in the real world, that’s never nice.

  • http://allquirknoplay.wordpress.com Nabilah Said

    Interesting post. I guess trust just has to be earned, and that takes time. It’s more than just a case of saying “Trust me”, it’s about all your other actions taken as a whole that inspires trust (In fact, someone who says “Trust me” should usually be viewed with suspicion).

    I wouldn’t say that pitching is bad per se, like you said, it’s a bit hard to avoid sometimes. But it’s not right if you’re using the relationship you have with someone solely to pitch something without him being made aware of it. That’s called taking advantage of people. And as in the real world, that’s never nice.

  • http://rickwolff.wordpress.com/ Rick Wolff

    One thing I noticed as I followed the bunch of you (Twitter, mostly) to SxSW is the mutual exchange of plugola. These early adopters signal the end of “hey, I like to consume this product made by this big entity, and you will too” and the beginning of “hey, I’m a little guy, yet I made this product, and you will like to consume it”. Media as an industry particularly lends itself to this. But don’t pretend for a minute that plugola is a trait you can shed just because you’re embracing new media. As a result, the casual consumer will have to wade through more plugola than ever before, and the medium will be the message for some time to come. SxSW did nothing but verify this suspicion for me.

  • http://rickwolff.wordpress.com/ Rick Wolff

    One thing I noticed as I followed the bunch of you (Twitter, mostly) to SxSW is the mutual exchange of plugola. These early adopters signal the end of “hey, I like to consume this product made by this big entity, and you will too” and the beginning of “hey, I’m a little guy, yet I made this product, and you will like to consume it”. Media as an industry particularly lends itself to this. But don’t pretend for a minute that plugola is a trait you can shed just because you’re embracing new media. As a result, the casual consumer will have to wade through more plugola than ever before, and the medium will be the message for some time to come. SxSW did nothing but verify this suspicion for me.

  • http://www.newtechheroes.com Tom Kephart

    I love that your post ends with a plug for Skitch :) Which, by the way, may be the reason I needed to buy a Mac again after ten years. Thanks.

    Seriously, though, it is a question of reputation, online as well as offline. In the end, all we have is that reputation – for honesty, reliability, compassion, whatever. Almost everyone knows the difference between the reliability of the news from The National Enquirer versus The New York Times. We know which of the people in our personal “real life” circle of friends and acquaintances are honest and dependable.

    That knowledge does translate to the online world. Which is why bloggers who decide to get involved with the Pay Per Posts of the world will create questions about their overall honesty, regardless of whether they’re actually getting paid to write about something or not.

  • http://www.newtechheroes.com Tom Kephart

    I love that your post ends with a plug for Skitch :) Which, by the way, may be the reason I needed to buy a Mac again after ten years. Thanks.

    Seriously, though, it is a question of reputation, online as well as offline. In the end, all we have is that reputation – for honesty, reliability, compassion, whatever. Almost everyone knows the difference between the reliability of the news from The National Enquirer versus The New York Times. We know which of the people in our personal “real life” circle of friends and acquaintances are honest and dependable.

    That knowledge does translate to the online world. Which is why bloggers who decide to get involved with the Pay Per Posts of the world will create questions about their overall honesty, regardless of whether they’re actually getting paid to write about something or not.

  • http://geekmommy.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/baby-got-follow-back/ GeekMommy

    Part of what made me walk away from sales way-back-when was that I really couldn’t bring myself to sell things I didn’t believe in.

    When I do believe in something, I get passionate about it… and it’s easy to sell something you’re passionate about.

    But it’s no big surprise to find out that there are people paid to shill… Whether it’s the “I used product X to lose 100 lbs!” in a magazine, or the “product X changed my life” on a blog – it’s not going to surprise anyone.

    But anyone taking the word of just one source w/out doing their own research is an easy target for that sort of thing.

    I advocate products and companies I have positive experiences with – but likewise, I don’t hesitate to speak out when I have a negative experience. The trick to spotting a shill is that they tend not to do the latter.

  • http://geekmommy.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/baby-got-follow-back/ GeekMommy

    Part of what made me walk away from sales way-back-when was that I really couldn’t bring myself to sell things I didn’t believe in.

    When I do believe in something, I get passionate about it… and it’s easy to sell something you’re passionate about.

    But it’s no big surprise to find out that there are people paid to shill… Whether it’s the “I used product X to lose 100 lbs!” in a magazine, or the “product X changed my life” on a blog – it’s not going to surprise anyone.

    But anyone taking the word of just one source w/out doing their own research is an easy target for that sort of thing.

    I advocate products and companies I have positive experiences with – but likewise, I don’t hesitate to speak out when I have a negative experience. The trick to spotting a shill is that they tend not to do the latter.

  • http://www.pistachioconsulting.com Laura “Pistachio” Fitton

    Isn’t it a little odd though, that we still want to draw such a big line between “celebrities” and “regular people” where it comes to product endorsements? We get all introspective about “ordinary people” having a paid involvement with a brand, but we completely expect that anything Tiger Woods is wearing is from a sponsor. This perception needs to shift.

    Celebrities are valuable to brands because they aggregate trust and attention. There have always been “ordinary people” who do this, but social media permits increasing levels of “non-celebrity aggregation of trust and attention.” (How’s that for slick coinage?) People should make their best efforts to disclose. But the audience is not always going to notice/hear that disclosure for various reasons.

    Ex: I’ve made it clear a number of times that Qik made it possible for me to use/demonstrate their application, but how can I append that information to every single Qik video I send?

    The trust and value of relationship may even matter more than the disclosure. Whether or not a financial relationship exists, is the information you get from that person genuinely helpful in your own life? Be a discerning friend/consumer/audience and you’ll be less susceptible to profound shills.

  • http://www.pistachioconsulting.com Laura “Pistachio” Fitton

    Isn’t it a little odd though, that we still want to draw such a big line between “celebrities” and “regular people” where it comes to product endorsements? We get all introspective about “ordinary people” having a paid involvement with a brand, but we completely expect that anything Tiger Woods is wearing is from a sponsor. This perception needs to shift.

    Celebrities are valuable to brands because they aggregate trust and attention. There have always been “ordinary people” who do this, but social media permits increasing levels of “non-celebrity aggregation of trust and attention.” (How’s that for slick coinage?) People should make their best efforts to disclose. But the audience is not always going to notice/hear that disclosure for various reasons.

    Ex: I’ve made it clear a number of times that Qik made it possible for me to use/demonstrate their application, but how can I append that information to every single Qik video I send?

    The trust and value of relationship may even matter more than the disclosure. Whether or not a financial relationship exists, is the information you get from that person genuinely helpful in your own life? Be a discerning friend/consumer/audience and you’ll be less susceptible to profound shills.

  • Susan Getgood

    Since I make my living helping people promote their products and services, I had to develop a personal policy for this early on.

    When I am compensated in some fashion, whether it is for client work or simply some sort of freebie from a non-client, or if I was explicitly pitched on something, I disclose. Every time. And in the case of pitching clients on my own blogs or via social networks like Twitter, I do it sparingly.

    On the other hand, if I am writing purely of my own volition, for example the weekly sci fi column I write on my personal blog, I don’t put the “negative disclaimer,” ie that no one provided services or free DVDs for the review.

  • http://getgood.typepad.co, Susan Getgood

    Since I make my living helping people promote their products and services, I had to develop a personal policy for this early on.

    When I am compensated in some fashion, whether it is for client work or simply some sort of freebie from a non-client, or if I was explicitly pitched on something, I disclose. Every time. And in the case of pitching clients on my own blogs or via social networks like Twitter, I do it sparingly.

    On the other hand, if I am writing purely of my own volition, for example the weekly sci fi column I write on my personal blog, I don’t put the “negative disclaimer,” ie that no one provided services or free DVDs for the review.

  • http://chrisbrogan.com chrisbrogan

    Wow. Great policies and ideas from everyone. Thanks so much for your points of view.

  • http://chrisbrogan.com chrisbrogan

    Wow. Great policies and ideas from everyone. Thanks so much for your points of view.

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